(10-07-2017, 06:57 AM)irukandji Wrote:(10-06-2017, 06:36 PM)wesen Wrote: He didn't abandon her. What would you have him do? Stay in the prison cell with her while she continuously taunted him or even maybe tried to hurt him? Ignore any of his work cases? How do you know that Nick didn't care that Kenneth bailed her out? You're making assumptions, we already know that he does care enough about her to find something, anything, that would help her, including working with his former nemesis. In the end it was up to Juliette to save herself from the hexenbiest power. It's like a person who becomes addicted to drugs or alcohol. Family and friends may try to help, but in the end it is up to the individual to willingly choose to seek help.
First of all, Juliette said she was expecting Nick to rescue her.
"I was expecting you to rescue me".
Now, this was a sarcastic statement to be sure, but in the same context it also has a ring of truth.
Consider that Nick was not known to incarcerate those wesen *who he felt* couldn't control some of their actions. Take the frog girl, for instance. Juliette was no different. She wasn't in complete control. That was supported by two people to be sure, Henrietta, and later, Adalind. Even Renard supported it in his own way by getting Juliette off the street when she disabled the guy's car (paraphrasing here).
The difference between the frog girl and Juliette is that frog girl didn't intentionally try to harm others, and she tried her best to avoid being in situations where she would put herself and others at risk. Juliette was becoming dangerously out of control, she was actively seeking to hurt others. Also, frog girl accepted help from Nick and his friends. She didn't try to go and murder people who she thought wronged her. Juliette never even considered accepting help from Nick, and destroyed her last chance of taking control back from the hexenbiest influence.
Quote:Up to that point, Nick hadn't done anything for Juliette. Even in a sarcastic state, she would still be expecting him to take her part.
Secondly, Nick himself told her he was not rescuing her. He followed with an idiotic statement about it being safer for her there. She of course replied it was safer for him.
That's was the end of their conversation. So tell me how Nick's statements and his actions actually mean something other than abandoning her.
What did you expect Nick to do? Go down on his knees begging her forgiveness? What could he have done at that point to help her when he had no clue how to help her control or get rid of the hexenbiest?
Quote:What I find really ironic is the only people who seem to have a better understanding of Juliette than anyone else comes down to a couple of hexenbiests and a zauerbiest. The wesen who are her close friends and the grimm who's supposed to be the one who puts her on a pedestal have....no....clue....whatsoever.Maybe those wesen and grimm have no understanding or idea of what Juliette was going through precisely because they are NOT hexenbiests or zaurbiests.
Quote:Nick didn't even bother to have the scoobies keep an eye on Juliette. If he had, Nick would have known when she was bailed out and who bailed her out.
If that isn't abandoning the one he loves, I don't know what is.
Would Nick's friends even be allowed to do that at the police precinct? How many times have we seen that happen in the show? Obviously never. Why would Nick make an exception for Juliette just because she was his gf? Wouldn't that only reinforce your accusations of corruption against him?
Quote:Well of course, but you have admitted you don't like Juliette. I think more than a part of this post is based upon your dislike of the character. Up until this hexenbiest business, Nick never once indicated that Juliette should leave him and for her part, Juliette never gave any indication of wanting to leave. He never gave any indication he wanted to leave her.
Just because she may not have been my favourite character does not mean I disliked Juliette. I had nothing against her, even though I might have found her boring, but I accepted her as Nick's g/f. You also ignored what I wrote. Yes, Nick may not have wanted Juliette to leave, but he didn't force her to stay either. It was her decision in the end to stay with him, despite knowing the risks of being in a relationship with a grimm. If you want to blame someone, blame the writers for depicting their relationship as something that was doomed from the start. The dire warning from Nick's aunt, the lack of communication and trust between them, the marriage rejection, the amnesia, the unkind and cold treatment that Juliette gave to Nick when she forgot who he was, the jealousy, insecurity, lack of acceptance of who they became (Nick being a grimm and Juliette being a hexenbiest), lack of understanding (like when Juliette found out about Nick mistakenly sleeping with Adalind), lack of compromises and finally the betrayal, all showed that Juliette was not right for Nick the grimm, and he was not right for her. That's why I find it absolutely ludicrous to continuously blame Nick solely for the downfall of their relationship. They were both equally at fault for their break up.