(01-09-2018, 07:35 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I don't find any point in saying I disagree without explaining why. The worst thing that could happen to this thread is someone just saying character X or character Y is the most corrupt without going any further. Plus, comparisons are going to made because the word "most" was used.
No, the worst thing is to suddenly begin applying rules for contrary opinions. If I simply said Renard is the most corrupt cop, exactly how many people would come out of the woodwork to call me on the carpet for not providing a detailed reason? I'll tell you how many right now; not one. Why? Because they would agree.
I provided evidence earlier in the thread. I talked about Nick going to torture the wesen who was masquerading as the one of the evil grimms. That was completely nixed because Nick didn't actually torture the wesen. Hank stopped him before he could do anything so therefore even the thought of corruption doesn't apply.
Izzy provided evidence to show why Nick would be considered a corrupt cop. He wasn't applauded for providing a convincing argument. If you'll notice, for the most part, his post was ignored. Instead the argument shifted toward corrupt as meaning "personal gain" or "acting dishonestly for money". And posters stuck to those two definitions because to them, it was easy to see how these definitions didn't apply to Nick.
When I provided additional definitions to support that corrupt goes beyond what was posted, my post was not applauded as bringing more depth to the term and therefore, adding to the discussion. Instead it turned to the Nick and company being rogues.
I'm not looking for accolades or compliments. That's not why I post. But I find it idiotic that someone could simply state Renard is a corrupt a++hole and no one would bat an eye. Yet, state Nick is corrupt and one needs a thesis to back up their statement.
(01-09-2018, 07:35 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I've previously mentioned I've taken issue with some of the things said about Juliette. I've gotten into some lengthy debates because I thought people were going too far and painting everything she said or did as evil or having some underlying terrible motivation behind it. I made it clear how much I thought people were being unfair in regards to her character. I don't even think everything Renard has done is horrible and I think he's done some good things despite being the most corrupt cop.
That's good. You know what I have seen in those threads? One liners stating Juliette's a bitch and she should have stayed dead. I have yet to see anyone coming back and stating a detailed explanation should be provided to support why said poster feels Juliette is a bitch and why she should stay dead.
(01-09-2018, 07:27 PM)irukandji Wrote: I never thought Adalind should be let off the hook for being a pawn. That's exactly what she was most of the time but it doesn't excuse her. It just helps to explain her actions. You probably already know that I take issue with Renard being given a pass more than anyone else. He has to be blamed along with Adalind.
I do. I also read posts and digest what's being written. However, while you may not see Adalind being excused for her actions, there are posters here who do and that's why she's known as a pawn.
With regard to Nick, while Monroe and Rosalee are free to make up their own minds to either fall under Nick's influence or just say no, it is a different story for Hank and Wu. They have to work with Nick, so it's not necessarily his influence, but his gut feeling that they're relying on. Because Nick is a natural irritant to wesen and continually ignores that one huge risk, he places Hank in danger every time he confronts a wesen. The same would apply to Wu when he's on assignment with Nick.
(01-09-2018, 07:35 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Besides, plenty of posters have said Adalind was at her worst when she was a human. I didn't see anyone disputing that and most people thought Adalind deserved to have her ass kicked at the time of the Biest fight.
Sure they did. But the moment it was stated that she was pregnant with Nick's child, all was forgotten and forgiven.
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