12-27-2017, 11:11 AM
(12-27-2017, 10:19 AM)irukandji Wrote: Nick was given the choice before Adalind came to him. When he lost his grimm, he was given the choice of going away with Juliette and having a normal life or becoming a grimm again. That's what I am saying. Nick himself set having a normal life at one end of the spectrum and being a grimm at the other end. While he faltered a bit at the thought of having a normal life, he also confided to Hank that he loved being a grimm and he was angry that that was taken from him. If Nick really wanted a family, he'd have jumped at the chance, even if given the opportunity to become a grimm again.
Conditions are different. Nick had been eager to take things to the next level before he even lost his Grimm after she knew the truth and she turned him down. There's a difference between hypothetical, potential children and Kelly existing in the flesh. Adalind never presented Nick with a choice of either Grimm or family life, the two were already synonymous since she could no more separate her hexenbiest from her family life. Juliette made it seem like they couldn't have both family and Nick as a Grimm, one had to be sacrificed.
(12-27-2017, 10:19 AM)irukandji Wrote: Just because I don't like Nick doesn't mean I can't debate about him. Also, just because you state my comments are far removed doesn't mean they are either. I believe what you are thinking here is that I am stating Nick was wise as some sort of derogatory comments toward Adalind. That is not the case.
Have you ever given thought that Nick himself may have seriously considered the ramifications of Juliette's words when she refused his proposal?
Nick clearly didn't since he continued to propose marriage and would have asked again in S3 had his mother not showed up with Adalind and baby Diana. He only considered the consequences of being in a relationship when Juliette became a hexenbiest and was attacked and eventually killed by Zerstörer, he had no such thoughts concerning Adalind. In fact he did everything to he knew possible to get her back.
(12-27-2017, 10:19 AM)irukandji Wrote: I think she wanted Nick, at least she stated she loved him. But that doesn't automatically state she wants to tie herself to him in marriage. I was, speaking of Nick though, and thinking of encounters he has had as a grimm that don't really help strengthen a marriage.
She wanted him enough to perjure herself, risk Renard finding out she helped Nick with the twinning spell, would have left the mansion of Nick didn't point out the danger of doing so while he was still a fugitive. She told him she needed him, to be with him.
They may not strengthen marriage according to you but they never stopped Grimms from marrying and having families, see Nick's grandfather and his mother. Although Kelly left him as a child, she advised him not to follow her example and he has chosen to keep his family and loved one close. And since we know for a fact that Nick is the marrying type and Adalind wanted to be with him, I drew a conclusion as laid out by the writers.
(12-27-2017, 10:19 AM)irukandji Wrote: But how does love equate to marriage here? There are a lot of people who are in love and remain together.
For some people love does lead to marriage, Nick certainly thought so when we first meet him and there nothing in his character or script to contradict this just because he's now with Adalind, whom we know loves him dearly and he desperately got her back from the dead.
(12-27-2017, 10:19 AM)irukandji Wrote: You also mentioned that topic of marriage came up enough times for it to set a good portion of the viewers against Juliette. I want to point out that said viewers were already against Juliette and looking for any little thing to put her in a bad light. In the end, however, Nick only considered marriage seriously enough to propose once.
The first proposal is in the very first episode, that is what set the tone for the dislike for many people. Before that moment Juliette hardly registers on the show except to reject his proposal because she sensed he was keeping secrets and she was right to turn him down. No marriage can be built on lies and secrets and survive.
A marriage cannot exist unless two both people chose to marry (these days forced marriages are frowned upon and hardly ever take place anymore because society has evolved and rightfully so), as the Bible says, how can two people walk together unless they both agree? Nick and Juliette had plenty of opportunities to "walk together" on the important issues in their relationship and sadly, deep down they never agreed, hence Juliette denying Nick's proposal not once but twice before Nick's grimmlessness/her hexenbiestness became a serious thorn in their side.
Nick and Adalind had similar goals in S5 all the way through to the end of the show. It started with protecting Kelly, creating a safe environment for their son with both parents and not taking him away from the other parent. Although Adalind eventually did leave the loft with Kelly, it wasn't by her own choosing. She was very eager to return to Nick as he was eager to have her back. They were both in love with each other a little later after that, for Nick, someone who does consider marriage a next logical step after love, the writers implied that is what took place between these two some time during the twenty years and agree with them.