(08-31-2017, 04:39 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(08-31-2017, 04:26 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't get you posters who favor the Adalind/Nick combination. You don't allow for posters to have a different point of view. They must have your point of view or they're called all kinds of names and criticized unfairly.Please be specific to those who do this and direct this towards them because not everyone who supports Nick/Adalind has criticised people who have a differing view. I don't like Nick and Juliette and never have because of how badly I feel they were written, that has nothing to do with posters who support them, who are free to like them as I am free to like N/A.
I am sorry about that, rpmaluki. I agree with what you're saying. Not everyone who supports Nick/Adalind takes pot shots at those who have a different point of view.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: My original post was about why I thought Adalind and Nick clicked. You implied that they didn't click, but only ended up together because they had no choice coz no one else wanted them. You seem to be suggesting that Adalind was only runner up, the second best choice because Juliette didn't want Nick anymore. That's the reason why I mentioned Juliette, coz I wanted to show you that Juliette did want Nick back, if she thought they had a chance. She realised in the end though that Nick had already moved on and formed a happy life with someone new. The kindest thing she ever did for him was to release him from his feeling of guilt/burden towards her.
Now you are putting words in my mouth. I never implied that Adalind was the choice because Juliette didn't want Nick anymore. And I don't believe you brought Juliette into the debate simply to show me "that Juliette really did want Nick back, but realized he had already moved on and formed a happy life with someone new".
It's apparent you like the Adalind/Nick combination and it's apparent you do not like the Nick/Juliette combination. You were annoyed that I criticized Adalind and so you're throwing Juliette into the conversation in some attempt to show that Adalind is clearly the one who should be with Nick just by virtue of Juliette being a bitch.
By the way, before you accuse someone of changing the series, you might want to read your paragraph because you clearly changed the facts here. Juliette turned into Eve and did not want Nick back, nor did Nick get ever get the impression she wanted him back.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: At the time of their conversation (season 5) Nick was still unsure about Adalind, so why would he say that he loved her? It would have been strange and frankly unbelievable if Nick suddenly declared to his friends that Adalind was the love of his life just after a few months of living with her.
Allow me to quote your previous paragraph:
Quote:Yet Nick thought she was a good enough woman to be his girlfriend and maybe even his wife. Meisner seemed to have only good non sexual thoughts about Adalind, specifically about her being a good mother. Nick thought so too, when he told Monroe she was an amazing mother to Kelly. So you're wrong about that as well.
Nick is so sure about Adalind being a good enough woman to be his girlfriend and maybe even his wife, but he's not sure enough of his feelings for her?
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: Furthermore, Nick did fight to get Adalind back as was seen in season 6, he told Renard that Adalind was going with him. Why would he say that if he didn't care about Adalind at all?
Again, you're putting words in my mouth. I never said Nick didn't care about Adalind at all.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: Lust is a feeling of physical attraction towards someone. That is not the same as cheating. Nick did lust after Adalind, but most importantly, he NEVER acted on it.
Lust is a very strong sexual desire and it's a serious thing. You can whitewash it all you want by adding , "that is not the same as cheating".
However **if** you see Juliette sensing that Nick is lusting after Adalind, then Juliette was absolutely, positively right about refusing his proposal.
ETA: I don't see this about Nick. I never, ever got the impression he was lusting after Adalind.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: Just because she fell in love with Nick doesn't make her a mouse with no life of her own.
If you were talking about Renard, I would totally agree with you. Adalind fell in love with Renard, but she kept her career, she had her own apartment, she was a hexenbiest who could do hexenbiest things, and she even had time for some sexual flings when she and Renard parted company. She was fun and funny, always scheming and she had fun at it. That's what made her character.
How much fun did you see her having with Nick in the fome now? Now, before you tell me how sweet and nice she is and how Kelly takes up oh so much of her time, consider this.
Nick is the star of the show, he's the grimm. Is the creative team really going to give Nick some serious competition by making Adalind the scheming hexenbiest with a career doing her own thing while living with him? Not on your life. She's been reduced to human background, a domesticated mouse who was suddenly deathly afraid of being a hexenbiest around Nick and totally afraid of doing her own thing. What was done to her character was a travesty. If you get time, peruse some of the other grimm forums. I'm not the only one who misses the old Adalind.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: I think you just want her to be single so she wouldn't have to end up with Nick. There is no reason to criticise her for falling in love with a man that she likes, who is kind to her, and who has a baby with her.
Nick wasn't always kind to her. Because he listened to his mother instead of his police training, he participated in kidnapping her first baby. As a result of that, he messed everything up. He hated her for what she did to Marie, and he took her hexenbiest powers away from her, causing even more trouble.
Add to the fact that she raped him and ended up pregnant with Kelly. She wasn't even going to tell him he was a father to be. She was only forced to because she was booted out by the royals.
I think it's rather arrogant to tell other posters they can't make comments about her. She's a fictional character and this isn't a thread discussing scripts about the series. It's asking for opinions. Not everyone is going to adore Adalind and write nothing other than compliments simply because you want them to unless you state that's what you're looking for when you start a thread.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: People fall in love everyday, why should Adalind be held to different standard compared to other women? You might as well criticise Rosalee for choosing to be with Monroe when she could have chosen to be an independent woman with a business of her own.
The only one who compared Adalind to other women is you. You did that by bringing Juliette into the debate. Now you're bringing Rosalee into it. I merely stated that I think she and Nick settled for less.
Quote:As I stated before, she settled for less.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: That's your interpretation.
Are your opinions not your own interpretations? Do you really consider your opinions to be facts?
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: Adalind got domestic and frumpy. Nick became even blander
That's your bias talking. I know you hate the idea of nadalind but Ive read a few posts here that seem to confirm the popularity of the couple. The viewers bought it, because like another poster here said, if it was unpopular, they wouldn't have made nadalind the end game. Personally, I like the idea of liking and loving someone for who they are, warts and all, without having to go to extreme lengths just to please someone. In the real world, most people would probably prefer a comfortable low key relationship over a high maintenance drama filled one.
No, it's not my bias talking. It's only biased to you because I'm not agreeing with what you're saying. That's all this comes down to. You're annoyed because I don't see Nick and Adalind the same way you do.
Let me ask this: Do you really want to read pages and pages of posts, with everyone agreeing with the way you think? Just from the way you're arguing with me, I would say no. But, maybe you do.
(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote: You are putting words into my mouth. I never claimed to have the most wonderful piece of writing ever, but what I cannot tolerate is when you twist/make up facts to suit your bias. The show ends with Nick and Adalind still together after 20 years, you then wrote that you can imagine that they would look back and wonder why they 'settled for less' with each other. That was not what the show intended, it was a happy ending meant to show that Nick and Adalind had a long lasting and close relationship.
You might want to read your very first post on this thread because it doesn't consist of facts. I'll quote part of it for you:
Quote:I don't want to turn this into an Adalind vs Juliette bashing thread, I just want to give out some of the reasons why I think Adalind and Nick clicked much more than Nick and Juliette did.
Maybe you can point out exactly where you set the rules for this thread and told everyone to discuss facts and facts only, because what I see here is a thread asking for our thoughts
which ARE NOT facts.
Again, I think you're just peeved because I voiced my thoughts and so now you're trying to change the thread. If you want to, that's fine, just make sure you're clear and concise because it's apparent you are only looking for specific responses that everyone agrees with you about Nick and Adalind. Be specific and you'll get exactly what you want.
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