(08-31-2017, 09:51 AM)brandon Wrote: I think what happened between them has nothing to do with stockholm syndrome.
Sometimes having a baby ends up separating a couple but between them there was nothing.
None had a good impression of the other,perhaps because of the fights between them.
Both though the best for a child and that enchants the other. Vice versa.
That Adalind was human made things easy use magic to cook,other things.
He saw that she helps without using no trick.
I can understand why at the initial phase, their relationship was described as being somewhat like stockholm syndrome. Nick and Adalind were forced to live together, they felt they had no choice. They were trapped by their situation, but tried to make best of it, forcing themselves to get along for the sake of their baby. But they did end up genuinely liking each other despite their forced arrangement, and there was never any fear of violence or abuse. In actual cases of stockholm syndrome, the feelings of love were based on fear and survival in the midst of abuse and threats. Nick and Adalind falling in love was also definitely not planned, it was something that eventually happened after getting to know each other.
(08-31-2017, 08:13 AM)dicappatore Wrote:(08-31-2017, 07:18 AM)wesen Wrote:Quote:You mentioned that Nick was basically this guy who had no choice other than Adalind because Juliette was the one who chose to leave him, when it was obvious that juliette still had feelings for him and missed him at times. It wasn't that Nick didnt have an option, he was able to move on with his life with another person who he was happy with, whereas Juliette was the one who was presented as basically being unhappy and had no option but to live with who she became. I felt sorry for her more than I did for Nick. Nick got his happily ever after, Juliette didn't.
But this doesn't answer my observation about your post. Why do you continue to bring Juliette into a thread that is specifically about Nick and Adalind? As I said, I'm not trying to be rude, but whenever someone critiques Adalind, all of the sudden there's some poster (or posters) who have to rant about Juliette. I know exactly what Juliette did, but this thread isn't about her, nor is it about how Nick could or could not get her back. Maybe you could explain why you feel it's so important to continue to drag her into the debate?
My original post was about why I thought Adalind and Nick clicked. You implied that they didn't click, but only ended up together because they had no choice coz no one else wanted them. You seem to be suggesting that Adalind was only runner up, the second best choice because Juliette didn't want Nick anymore. That's the reason why I mentioned Juliette, coz I wanted to show you that Juliette did want Nick back, if she thought they had a chance. She realised in the end though that Nick had already moved on and formed a happy life with someone new. The kindest thing she ever did for him was to release him from his feeling of guilt/burden towards her.
Quote:Yet Nick thought she was a good enough woman to be his girlfriend and maybe even his wife. Meisner seemed to have only good non sexual thoughts about Adalind, specifically about her being a good mother. Nick thought so too, when he told Monroe she was an amazing mother to Kelly. So you're wrong about that as well.
Nick told Monroe she was an amazing mother. When did he ever tell Monroe that he was just glad she came into his life, or that he loved her? Tell me, when did Nick talk to Monroe about Adalind and only Adalind besides the unremarkable statement that she's an amazing mother?
At the time of their conversation (season 5) Nick was still unsure about Adalind, so why would he say that he loved her? It would have been strange and frankly unbelievable if Nick suddenly declared to his friends that Adalind was the love of his life just after a few months of living with her. He's spent years hating her, a few months of learning to live together and actually liking one another isn't something that can overcome that immediately. Nick only realised his feelings for her when he lost her to BC, and when he had to face later on the possibility of losing her again, this time forever. Adalind may have declared her feelings for Nick a bit too early, but she was frightened he wasn't coming back. Rpmaluki has an interesting perspective that Adalind and Nick both chose to declare their love for one another under pressure. Only when they realised the high stakes did they face what they felt for one another. Yes, Adalind was more open towards Nick about her feelings to him, but in my opinion, t's not surprising that he was more slow to realise his feelings for her. First off, he was scared of Adalind turning into a hexenbiest again after his history with her and all the horrible things that Juliette did after she turned into a hexenbiest. Second of all, Nick was still nursing a broken heart and grieving over Juliette in season 5. This was shown in one of the early episodes prior to moving to the loft, where Nick goes to his and Juliette's bedroom and he goes over to the closet and touches Juliette's dress. You don't just get over someone you've been with for years that fast, even if you might start to develop feelings for someone else. If Nick had done so, that would have shown him to be a callous and shallow jerk.
Furthermore, Nick did fight to get Adalind back as was seen in season 6, he told Renard that Adalind was going with him. Why would he say that if he didn't care about Adalind at all? He could have just left her with Renard and co-parented Kelly with her. Nick might not have declared his love to Adalind immediately after getting her back, but what he lacked in words, he showed it through his actions, even in front of his friends. He considers their violent altercation at the ruins as their first kiss, his new found feelings for her altered his perception of what actually occurred between them when he took her powers at the ruins. Then we see Nick telling Adalind that he thought he was going to go crazy without her, and he specifically didn't mention Kelly, so that clearly showed how much he missed her and wanted to be with her. Then, in Blind Love he told Adalind that they were lucky that they had each other, and ran to her and hugged her after the love spell wore off. There was also the many numerous looks and even hugs as well as kisses they had, both private and in public. He also opposed Adalind from entering the mirror world, even though he knew that there was a chance that Juliette could be trapped in the other world forever. In fact, it was Adalind who had to bring up that point. Most important of all was the absolute trust that they had for each other, Adalind wasn't jealous of Eve, she knew about the stick, whatever issues they had they were able to resolve it even if it was not shown on screen. Saying I love you was merely the icing on the cake, it didn't change anything between them.
Quote:(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: The reality is guys as well as women check out people who are not their significant other if that said person is attractive. It's human nature to look at and admire something or someone who is beautiful/handsome. Nick never cheated on Juliette, finding someone attractive does not equate to cheating.
Guys wouldn't be guys if they didn't look at a pretty girl. They're hard wired just like women are when they check out a guy.
But that is not what you said. You said Nick lusted after Adalind while he was with Juliette. Lusting after someone is a whole different thing. I merely stated I could see why Juliette refused his proposal.
Lust is a feeling of physical attraction towards someone. That is not the same as cheating. Nick did lust after Adalind, but most importantly, he NEVER acted on it. He remained loyal to Juliette to the end of their relationship. It was Juliette who chose to cheat on him with Renard, just because she was mad at him (Nick). I don't want to drag Juliette into this again, but if you are going to criticise Nick for something he didn't even do, then you should look at who actually was the cheater in their relationship. And btw, Juliette refused his proposal not because he cheated on her, but because she didn't trust him. That alone shows that there were cracks in their relationship. This lack of trust (that they were never able to resolve) and their unrealistic demands from each other, as well as their mismatched personalities is what drove them apart.
Quote:Why would she have chosen to date someone so soon after having Kelly? She could have remained single, and let's pretend that the characters did exist off screen. Adalind was still hot, she could have dated other men besides Nick. Just because she was a single mother would not stop guys from wanting to be with her. She was young, attractive and when she got her job back, financially able to rely on her own. She would be considered a catch even with children. Also, if we stick to other characters in the show, Meisner thought highly of Adalind. So no, Nick wasn't the only option for Adalind. Even Renard was willing to play happy families with her, she could have easily gone back to him as another option besides Nick.
Exactly. She *could* have gone on to be an independent woman. She had a great career. The firm wanted her back. Instead she opted to move in with Nick and become his domestic little mouse with no life of her own.
Just because she fell in love with Nick doesn't make her a mouse with no life of her own. I think you just want her to be single so she wouldn't have to end up with Nick. There is no reason to criticise her for falling in love with a man that she likes, who is kind to her, and who has a baby with her. People fall in love everyday, why should Adalind be held to different standard compared to other women? You might as well criticise Rosalee for choosing to be with Monroe when she could have chosen to be an independent woman with a business of her own. It doesn't make sense to me. Adalind chose to be with Nick because she loved him, plain and simple. In the end, she had no need to rely on him, and she would probably have earned more money than he did, but because she truly loved him, she wanted to be with him.
Quote:As I stated before, she settled for less.
That's your interpretation.
Quote:As I stated, he also settled for less.
Again, that's your interpretation. You might think they settled for less but the show was clear that they were happy with each other in the end.
Quote:Quote:Adalind got domestic and frumpy. Nick became even blander
That's your bias talking. I know you hate the idea of nadalind but Ive read a few posts here that seem to confirm the popularity of the couple. The viewers bought it, because like another poster here said, if it was unpopular, they wouldn't have made nadalind the end game. Personally, I like the idea of liking and loving someone for who they are, warts and all, without having to go to extreme lengths just to please someone. In the real world, most people would probably prefer a comfortable low key relationship over a high maintenance drama filled one.
Why is your opinion considered just the greatest most wonderful piece of writing and mine is biased?
I don't get you posters who favor the Adalind/Nick combination. You don't allow for posters to have a different point of view. They must have your point of view or they're called all kinds of names and criticized unfairly.
I could care less if you criticize the characters, but why do you feel personal criticisms are warranted simply because someone doesn't see it your way?
You are putting words into my mouth. I never claimed to have the most wonderful piece of writing ever, but what I cannot tolerate is when you twist/make up facts to suit your bias. The show ends with Nick and Adalind still together after 20 years, you then said that they would look back and wonder why they 'settled for less' with each other. This is just plain wrong because there is absolutely no suggestion that this ever happened, nor did the show ever imply it. Everything you stated there was opposite to what the show intended, and is nothing but merely your own personal conjecture, because I have a feeling you dislike Nadalind as end game. You don't have to like them together as a couple, but no need to make up claims that aren't true. Then you mentioned that Nick and Adalind had no choice but to hook up with each other because no one else wanted them, despite me providing examples from a few episodes that Juliette did still want Nick, and Renard was willing to play happy families with Adalind (as was shown in the show). I know I'm just new here and I'm trying not to stir trouble, but what gets my goat is when you make claims without trying to back them up with evidence. I could just as easily make the claim that Nick and Monroe ended up together as lovers because I want them to be together, but without any evidence to back up my statements, I'm only going to be talking complete b.s.
I am telling you guys. Stop beating your head on the wall with this poster. I tried to make points with facts in the past and then have it just redirected to another argument. I stopped reading the posts from this contributor but I can’t help it when you guys repost the quotes. By this poster’s own admission, on some other thread, I wish I could go to it. Admits about enjoying the musical score while doing, I guess, house work, in other rooms.
Then comes up with biased fantasies as factual or, like someone else said, “Don’t put words in my mouth”. I also seen this poster, accuse other contributors changing topics away from original threads, while this same poster has done the exact thing.
I think on one post, Nick is accused for not sprucing himself up for Adalind, by the same contributor. WTF? In the fome, they started out sleeping in separate rooms. They never intended to be an item. They shared one bath. That means they were seeing each other, every day, what they looked like after crawling out of bed. How much sprucing up can one do? After you been smelling eachother’s aroma from taking a dump? What universe is this person from?
If I cared enough to prove my point, I would do the research and point out my accusations but they would just be denied, and me, accused of fabricating them. So, It’s just not worth it. There a few great examples on the quotes, listed on the re-posted quotes above, when I posted this, and should be enough to prove my point.
Another reason why Nick and Adalind clicked. When a biased contributor is against it! See, I stayed on topic!
I didn't mean to start an argument with the poster, but I just got annoyed because they were throwing comments that were completely different to the actual storyline. I can understand if it was fanfiction, but they should make it clear if that was their intention all along.