08-31-2017, 02:20 AM
(08-31-2017, 01:48 AM)wesen Wrote:It's very telling indeed. I don't hate Juliette but I do think their relationship was a complete waste of (my) time and energy when it was apparent that it wasn't working. She should have left him long before he even lost his Grimm, period because he wasn't what she envisioned for herself. There was nothing Nick could have done to to change that. He was who and what he was. The final straw for me was when she asked his friends to not try and find a cure for his Grimmlessness without even talking to Nick about it. She changed her mind of course, not because she realised that it was what he wanted. She did it because others were in danger as a result of him being Grimmless and Nick the Grimm could have done something to help. She made the choice for Monroe, not Nick.(08-31-2017, 12:17 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:N(08-30-2017, 11:39 PM)wesen Wrote:These days, most fictional work on film or tv is riddled with cliches or tropes, not even GoT was immune to this since they ran out of books to adapt. It wouldn't be that way if people didn't readily respond to that type of writing. There's nothing wrong with Nick and Adalind being written that way, at the very least there was some complexity in them getting together. It wasn't easy or something that happened overnight. People will either accept what put in front of them or reject it.(08-30-2017, 07:15 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: It's a TV and movie cliche for a man and a woman forced by circumstances to live, work or otherwise have to depend on each other to eventually fall in love no matter how much they dislike each other at first. In movies, their romance usually ends sometime before the sequel; on TV, if the ratings drop precipitously after they get together. Nickalind was pretty much inevitable the moment Nick brought Adalind and Kelly to the fome because he thought they were in enough danger to have to live in a secret base.
It might be cliche but if it works then I don't see why it should be a problem. My topic wasn't about the use of cliches or not, it was more to do with why the characters of Nick and Adalind worked 'clicked' together more than juliette and Nick did. Nadalind was more popular with the viewers than juliette and Nick, so it's no surprise that the writers chose to go with them as end game.
I happen to agree with a lot of your assessment of them as a couple. Yes they certainly clicked, better than Nick and Juliette ever did. during S5 and S6 Nick is in a different place with Adalind than he was with Juliette. He is unsettled, unsure but intensely drawn to Adalind beyond just settling for the woman that was just within reach compared to Juliette, where he was settled and comfortable but things fell apart no matter all his efforts to hold on to what they had, he still drifted apart from her (unintentionally). At the end of the show, Nick is certain that Adalind was the one he wanted/loved. He still loved Eve/Juliette but that love had transformed to a different kind of love, one based on friendship instead of a love between a man and a woman. He was in love with Adalind and the world was possibly ending so he told her he loved her before going after Zerstörer. The confession of his feelings may seem out of place or too little too late to some but Adalind's initial confession of her own feelings was under similar strenuous conditions. These two played everything close to the chest until forced to embrace the reality of their situation. She was afraid he would never return and thus wanted him to know how she felt and he did the exact same thing.
I was drawn to them as a couple because of the challenge of what being together meant to them at the end of the day. logic says they should have hated one another till the end of time, Having Kelly should never have changed that. You only have to look at Adalind and Renard's relationship to see that it was more than possible for Adalind to remain indifferent towards the man she hated and regarded as an enemy for a very long time. And Nick was no different but even more so, despite his physical attraction to her, for several seasons we've never seen him succumb to his baser nature as a man and as a Grimm, that additional nature should have prevented him pursuing a relationship not only with an enemy but one who was a hexenbiest, the ultimate arch nemesis who cared that they shared a son?
With Juliette, I could never get into them because I felt that the relationship was being broken down (not strengthened) whereas Nick and Adalind were being built up. I was more invested in watching them make their relationship work rather than slog through the ever disintegrating relationship of Nick and Juliette that became too battered once Juliette's resentment and bitterness towards Nick's Grimm (before she went crazy on hexenbiest) I was desperate for the writers to end them and put me out of my misery. I felt like four whole years were wasted on a doomed relationship that added nothing to the lore of the show.
What turned me off Juliette and Nick was the efforts that Nick kept going through for Juliette, but still, it seemed like it was never enough. Juliette just seemed so high maintenance, so often demanding. Juliette could have walked away from Nick if she felt that his life as a Grimm was too much to handle, instead she basically forced him to choose her over who he really was. She wanted him to forget his heritage, his family, just so he could be conventionally normal for her. That's not real love. To Juliette, she loved the idea of Nick the human cop rather than Nick the Grimm who also happened to be a cop. When Kelly was talking in the end, he mentioned something about how the world was saved because Nick didnt turn away from who he was - as a Grimm. I thought it significant because it showed that Adalind really did love Nick for who he was, the cop and the Grimm.
When she became a hexenbiest, she turned violent because she felt done in by Nick, forgetting that she was just as complicit for her new state through her own actions/choices. Nick didn't (intentionally) make her into what she was. he didn't know that would happen and he tried everything he could to fix it and she still hated him for everything. @Brandon said she'd lost confidence in Nick's love for her, I agree (didn't happen overnight either, it started with him keeping his grimm from her) but he never wavered in his love for her during all the time they were together (despite his mild attraction to Adalind, or the Musai and the Daemonfeuer showing up and messing things up). Nick remained faithful to her and told her he was willing to accept her. Then Adalind showed up and offered a temp solution that would give Juliette back some form of normalcy, at least until they could figure things out on a more permanent basis and she spurned everything, burnt all her bridges. It would take a miracle for me to want those two back together or even think they were ever good together because they weren't.