01-09-2017, 10:12 AM
(This post was last modified: 01-09-2017, 10:16 AM by Grimmbiest11.)
(01-09-2017, 09:03 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(01-09-2017, 08:37 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: What Kouf and Greenwalt had to say about this 'stick'
What is Nick's arc for the final season then? What does he have to defeat for it to feel like his journey is over?
Kouf: It all comes back to what they found in the Black Forest.
Greenwalt: The keys lead to the stick, what the stick means and it means a lot religiously, Biblically, mythically in every tradition in every square of the planet. It'll all be explained and answered to tremendous satisfaction, of us, but hopefully of others.
How soon is Nick going to regret being so dependent on the stick meal?
Greenwalt: Very soon, and ultimately very tragically and sadly.
Kouf: It ends up playing a rather large role in the end of the show.
Make of that what you will
If you believe he is telling the truth that supports my view that Nick may be transformed or given a new destiny at the end of the show. Similar to Charmed where the dad became an elder that suppose to live in heaven. Nick the grimm dies in the sense he cannot be a cop or be shipped but he serves a greater purpose.
Idk if he is telling the truth and it kinda doesn't matter for the purposes of speculation. Showrunners say a lot of things. Concerning purpose the producers linked that aspect to Juliet
"That's something Bitsie Tulloch, who plays Juliette, is happy with, because it allows her character to find a more satisfying resolution in the end. "I really hope that the fans are going to love the finale because the one thing I said is I wanted her to make amends for the pain that she had caused people, and there is definitely resolution on that front. She’s just a very strong female character, which is what I love about her."
Added Greenwalt, "I think there’s going to be a line in one of the shows about ‘happiness is one thing, but purpose is the better thing.’ It’s really about her — Juliette/Eve — discovering her purpose in life."
(01-09-2017, 09:37 AM)speakeasy Wrote:(01-09-2017, 07:54 AM)speakeasy Wrote: Plus there's an irony in the fact that Juliette lost her chance at being a mother and having a normal life, and that Adalind's journey seems to have begun at the point at which J's ends; starting out as an evil doer and ending up with being a mother who is beloved by Nick (so far). No reflection on Adalind, I've always loved the character. Just a demonstration that life isn't fair, more like a crap shoot. Of course, the fly in the soup is Diana.
Intriguing idea that the Crusade Grimms may have combined their power somehow into the stick.
(01-09-2017, 08:37 AM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Eve/Juliette was a good person in season 5. Eve/Juliette is still the independent and strong women. Juliette was a vet and wanted to live with Nick but smartly never agreed to have a "normal" life with him if he wanted to be a grimm. Juliette never discusses having children with Nick yet it is assumed for her that she would want them. Adalind who says over and over she wants she wants her daughter and keeps the baby of her kidnapper and agrees to works with Nick to raise Kelly is still questioned on whether she wants to be mom.
Women should be able to choose to be a mom or not and not have everyone assume they want them. Once Nick was a grimm the only way Juliette was to have a "normal" life was to leave Nick. As an example, Nick's human father was killed for being married to a grimm and Juliette was kidnapped early in the show.
Can't disagree with anything you say, other than to add that Juliette wasn't given that chance as a result of outside interference (some of which she went along with willingly even though she didn't know the consequences.) My point is that she wasn't given the choice, even if she would have made the same decision. Imo, every single female on the show is strong and independent - but I've seen a number of differing opinions about that posted here. Girls rule. And because of that we've effectively changed the conventional role of the female in our society; the expectations of societal norms were different in my day.
(01-09-2017, 08:37 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: What Kouf and Greenwalt had to say about this 'stick'
Greenwalt:... what the stick means and it means a lot religiously, Biblically, mythically in every tradition in every square of the planet. It'll all be explained and answered to tremendous satisfaction, of us, but hopefully of others.
If that's a direct quote, then the stick will have an archetypal universal meaning, whether it be religious, Biblical, or mythical, in significance. Guess it's meaning will be found in the belief system of the beholder, but all human attempts to explain man's nature converge into a central theme of good vs. evil - going back to the earliest myths in recorded history. For me, that translates into a triumph of good over evil. I am hoping all fans can find some closure that aligns with their individual notions of morality in the end of the series. I'll be crushed if Renard is on the wrong team.
It's said Renard will get some redemption at some point. And that everyone may end up working together for the greater good to defeat the new big bad which perhaps threatens to obliterate everyone?
I agree about the stick, just like the nature of Holy Grail. Which has different interpretations for different belief systems.