11-23-2015, 12:54 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-23-2015, 12:59 PM by GrimmsterAla.)
(11-23-2015, 12:16 PM)irukandji Wrote: But aren't you excusing Adalind? You're in essence saying it's okay for her to become a hexenbiest again because you believe this time she will fight her powers. This time? Why should she have to fight at all?
This is a lot of the reason people are so angry over what happened to Juliette. Adalind is diddling around, telling Rosalee she doesn't want to be hexenbiest again, yet not doing anything about it.
That was not the choice given to Juliette. The choice she made was to help Nick. That often seems to be completely forgotten or deliberately overlooked in this debate over Juliette having a choice.
I think that everyone is confusing something quite simple. Adalind the Hexenbiest and Juliette the Hexenbiest are TWO VERY DIFFERENT THINGS. They are different people, different characters with different drives and motivations.
Until the show can make it absolutely clear what being a Hexenbiest means, and if or how it changes a person, then we will all continue to bicker about this.
I am not excusing Adalind for her actions. Nor am I excusing Juliette. They both did shitty things to Nick and the Scoobies. But with Juliette it HURT and stung more because she used to be one of them. She was close to them and loved them. Fought side by side with them. Adalind just did what she did for herself. She wasn't one of them or a part of their gang. She was just a nemesis.
As a viewer, I am trying to understand and look at it from Juliette and Adalind's perspectives. If you cannot do that then you will not get the full effect of the story and you will not believe or want to see what you are seeing.
I liked that Juliette went bad and I understand why, after all she's been through, all she's lost. She was a victim from the start, thanks to Nick's lies, then she was a target. So when she got the power to stand up for herself she took it and used it. Amen to her. She just couldn't stop. And I do wish she had time to try and redeem herself, but you gotta realize that this is a show about the Grimm. And to have the biggest impact on him, to move along his story, Juliette was sacrificed so that Nick would seek vengeance and turn darker. Until of course the baby became his focus.
(11-23-2015, 12:16 PM)irukandji Wrote: If she's so dead set against becoming a hexenbiest again, why isn't she seeking Rosalee's help to stop it?
Adalind said it quite simply during her talk with Rosalee. It's too dangerous. Because of the spell they did, along with all the others probably, they DO NOT know what the consequences will be. The spell was unknown to them in the first place. It was family gossip and they are lucky that it worked. If they put even more magic on top of all that they have already done, the consequences can be severe. If it was a simple spell, in a book, I am sure they would do it in a heartbeat. But they dont have a simple spell. Or a book for reference. So why take the danger of something going WRONG again, now?
(11-23-2015, 12:16 PM)irukandji Wrote: That was not a choice given to Juliette. The choice she made was to help Nick. That often seems to be completely forgotten or deliberately overlooked in this debate over Juliette having a choice.
Ummm... yes Juliette became a Hexenbiest not by choice, but by helping Nick, but she did have a choice to suppress it, which she literally smashed, then attacked the Scoobies by way of Nick and his gun. She didn't want to be a hexenbiest, tried to find a way out herself but when she realized she couldn't she was too blinded by rage, hurt and shock to try deal and understand it with the help of Nick. Or the Scoobies. She decided she LIKED the POWER. After being a victim and target, it's understandable, but it was a CHOICE.
(11-23-2015, 12:42 PM)TieDyeJackson Wrote: One could argue that everything Adalind did was at the behest of someone else.
She was a pawn in her mother's and Renard's games against Nick and his family.
She lashed out at Juliette because Nick took her powers and in reality she could have killed Juliette but all she did was make her forget Nick because she wanted him to live in the misery she was living in.
And we have to remember they stole her daughter. She was just trying to be a mother and be better and they took the child from he and then lied and smiled to her face.
Juliette was a true villain when she became a Hexenbeast the moment she burned the trailer down and tried to get Monroe shot when all they were trying to do was help her.
The reason she can't do anything about her powers is because she doesn't know if they are going to even return and as evidenced by Juliette's turn you don't F*** with powerful magics or you can get burned right back.
There are two sides to every argument. Juliette didn't deserve the hand she was dealt but the exact same thing can be said for Adalind.
Very well said!
"Stronger than lover's love is lover's hate.
Incurable, in each, the wounds they make."
Incurable, in each, the wounds they make."