(06-16-2018, 12:13 PM)syscrash Wrote: The idea of using physical methods as a useful tool for behavior modification has been proven to not work. But even now, you have leading politicians advocating for the benefits of enhanced interrogation. Testimony from people who have been subjected to this type of treatment have all said it does not work. If you want proof, take any of the people is solitary confinement because of their behavior. How many of them do you thank that after being maced, degraded and thrown in the hole, change their behavior. Maybe 70%. Maybe the cops could punish 50% of problem prisoners into compliance. How about 20%. Watch the show lockup raw. Yes it is a show, and yes they pick and choose who to interview. but of all the episodes, Not One prisoner has said they learned their lesson. Some do say it teaches them better how to attack the officers and not get caught. basically it teach them them how to be better at being bad. The one thing they all say. The harsher the treatment the harder their resolve.
One more thing that proves without a doubt that you can not change people with physical abuse. If you could, slavery would have worked. So like people who agree with enhanced interrogation, just like the people who advocate for aversion therapy.To think Juliette and or Trubel, or anyone can be made to do something through physical means. Has never been in that position.
Lets take something most people have had experience with. That is the spanking of a child. Depending on your age spanking was a fact of life. For those that where spanked. Did it really work, or did you just learn how to not get caught even if that meant not doing something. How many promised not to do something, only to try a different approach. Now compare that to the times, if you where so lucky, that reasoning was used resulting in you no longer seeing something as a good idea.
I use these example not to say there is a similarity in the circumstances. I am not even saying their is a similarity in the methods used. I am only saying no matter the circumstance or the method. The body and mind has an involuntary need to survive. Survival is to fight and win or retreat. Submitting does not result in survival.
For the purposes of the series, the writers must have believed that force and brutality conditioning would work. Take Trubel as an example. Trubel shows up just in time to help Nick and company when they are preparing to fight the royals. Yet, the whole time she's with Nick and company, she never says one word about HW. With the writers view of the all powerful and always able to avert death Nick, it's likely she could have saved herself from HW just by telling him the truth.
When HW decides to do their merry maid routine, what happens? Trubel doesn't leave of her own accord, they force her to go with them. Later, in season 5 when Trubel returns, she's already been on several assignments for HW overseas.
It's likely that HW didn't reason with her, they continued beating her until she complied with their mission statement.
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