(04-05-2016, 05:25 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: I didn't get the impression Elizabeth was much more powerful than Adalind. I thought she had knowledge and experience on her side. She also lacked the insecurities that plagued Adalind.I would agree on the knowledge part as Adalind looks to be pretty sharp on potions, but with what Elizabeth said about the link she created with Nick may be lacking to the total effect of a potion. Now the same could be said about Elizabeth when she created the counter potion for Nick didn't work out for Juliette. The power question is still open Juliette handed Adalind a lost in their fight. Elizabeth is the only hexenbiest we see with her eyes freeze people. Granted just because we haven't seen Adalind do doesn't mean she can't, so now we can add this to the debate are thing Elizabeth did learned or part of her hexenbiest spirit?
Elizabeth actually seemed rather impressed by what Adalind did to take Nick's powers. She did comment on Adalind not knowing how the spell linked her and Nick together but we now have Hexenette-turned-Eve thanks to Elizabeth not knowing the side effects. Adalind also knew that Renard had died once Nick implied he was possessed. It seems like Adalind could pull off the same trick to save Kelly if he ever needed it.
Hi Forum,
JS made the point that Elizabeth can freeze time. From: http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Elizabeth_Lascelles the Octopus Head episode: Quote:As Captain Renard flatlined, she came into his room. The Thoracic Surgeon told her she could not come in, but her eyes turned icy blue, and she froze time. She reached into her bag and pulled out a large, writhing Two-Headed Snake . . .Elizabeth wants Sean Boy to climb the power ladder. FrankenEve seems to want to derail his political aspirations. Will we see an Elizabeth vs FrankenEve face off? Will Elizabeth freeze time and pull out a hexen power eliminating snake? Perhaps a time freeze at HW Headquarters with some Pro Renard for Mayor shenanigans? New Guy
04-06-2016, 05:25 PM
I don't believe Louise Lombard is scheduled to appear in any of the upcoming episodes left (unfortunately) ... unless they are hiding it super close to their vest (which they could or maybe tweak the ending even of the finale - today was to be the last day on set to finish the finale shooting) ... but alas, that does leave NEXT SEASON
I've only seen her doing a few tv movies since her appearance on Grimm
04-07-2016, 05:26 PM
I think it is highly unlikely that Elizabeth would want Sean to become Mayor or do anything else that would seek a powerbase that would make the royals come after him. Becoming Mayor would say in bright lights that Sean was setting up a rival centre of power.
It's not clear what Elizabeth knew about the regaining the Grimm powers potion that she omitted to mention to Nick and Juliette. Henrietta had another take on Adalind's potion making, but died before she could explain it further. Adalind's potion making skills and the things she knows are another source of mystery. Are the unintended consequences really unintended or are they working as designed? (04-07-2016, 05:26 PM)tscchope Wrote: I think it is highly unlikely that Elizabeth would want Sean to become Mayor or do anything else that would seek a powerbase that would make the royals come after him. Becoming Mayor would say in bright lights that Sean was setting up a rival centre of power.What Elizabeth would want Sean to do is the question as a hexenbiest in general they like power so I would lean toward Elizabeth being all for Mayor and later governor. The writers saw fit to leave out how Eve/Juliette became a hexenbiest only answer we got was from Rosalee that a hexenbiest could be made not the how. Now did Elizabeth know good question Henrietta didn't so we can have both points to debate. I again lean toward Elizabeth not knowing. Then when it happened Sean tried to get hold of her and couldn't so as some say was she being held by BC or HW at the time. Did she know about the resistance plan to get Diana and kill the King so was she with them making the plan? (04-08-2016, 08:26 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote:Hi JS and Tscchope,(04-07-2016, 05:26 PM)tscchope Wrote: I think it is highly unlikely that Elizabeth would want Sean to become Mayor or do anything else that would seek a powerbase that would make the royals come after him. Becoming Mayor would say in bright lights that Sean was setting up a rival centre of power.What Elizabeth would want Sean to do is the question as a hexenbiest in general they like power so I would lean toward Elizabeth being all for Mayor and later governor. The writers saw fit to leave out how Eve/Juliette became a hexenbiest only answer we got was from Rosalee that a hexenbiest could be made not the how. You pose some interesting questions. IMO, Elizabeth wants Sean to gain power by any means available. Mayor via murder Dixon and join BC is just fine with her. IMO, Elizabeth knew and possibly created the potion side effects. If FrankenEve joins forces with Renard against HW then we will have a reason. We know the "love potion" has linked Renard and FrankenEve. IMO, Hexenette was killed at the end of season 4. In 5.01, HW took her carcass and when Meisner resuscitated her was when she first learned of HW. IMO, she only knew Kenneth was into violence and power, so she joined with him to participate in murder and mayhem. She was clueless about the plans of the Resistance. New Guy
04-08-2016, 08:50 AM
(04-08-2016, 08:26 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I would lean toward Elizabeth being all for Mayor and later governor. The writers saw fit to leave out how Eve/Juliette became a hexenbiest only answer we got was from Rosalee that a hexenbiest could be made not the how.Elizabeth has already shown she's not your typical power grabbing hexenbiest. She's made it abundantly clear that keeping Sean alive takes priority over all else. I can accept Rosalee believes hexenbiests can be made, I just don't see how that could be. I do think of how careful Elizabeth was in briefing Nick and Juliette indicates she knew Juliette would go all hexenbiest. I think that's why she was unavailable when Sean tried to contact her. I do allow that it is possible she was being held by someone. That would raise other questions as to who and why.
04-08-2016, 02:14 PM
(04-08-2016, 08:50 AM)tscchope Wrote:(04-08-2016, 08:26 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: I would lean toward Elizabeth being all for Mayor and later governor. The writers saw fit to leave out how Eve/Juliette became a hexenbiest only answer we got was from Rosalee that a hexenbiest could be made not the how.Elizabeth has already shown she's not your typical power grabbing hexenbiest. She's made it abundantly clear that keeping Sean alive takes priority over all else. Perhaps Elizabeth knows or is aware of Bonaparte? The mysterious zauberbiest that Adalind is going to meet. Again though, all speculation on so many fronts as I don't think Elizabeth is due to show up in any of the remaining episodes (or could and they've kept it under wraps ... or at the end of the finale or again S6 now) - however, her name could be said (and again that could set her up to return in S6) I'm excited for tonight's show! |
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