11-18-2016, 09:05 AM
So do you think that in order to make Adalind look good, the wise and noble creators had to smear Juliette?
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11-18-2016, 09:05 AM
So do you think that in order to make Adalind look good, the wise and noble creators had to smear Juliette?
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11-18-2016, 09:17 AM
what other way do you think they will separate juliette from nick and make him end up with adalind when on more than one occasions they were bound for separation but still stayed together from season 1.
if juliette was a hexenbiest and still good then it's a plus to nick and the gang and he would never get together with adalind
11-18-2016, 09:30 AM
(11-18-2016, 08:27 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: It's become painfully clear that we were really not supposed to question a lot of these things. (11-18-2016, 09:05 AM)irukandji Wrote: So do you think that in order to make Adalind look good, the wise and noble creators had to smear Juliette? Hi Hell Rell. Hi irukandji. I have just read the posts in the forum for a while. But these two sentences make me post this note because I think Hell Rell is completely right about it. The writers simply want the story to move one so they don’t want to take time explaining those things. They simply say Diana is Sean’s daughter and unless they decided to create a soap opera in the last season Diana is Sean’s. That is it. The same goes to Kelly. This way, answering irukandji question, I think the writers wanted to make Juliette to look bad. To do that, they tried to make Adelaind to look the opposite of what she was. Many of the questions we make here are our questions. The writers expect that we simply accept the answers they gave and move on. Like syscrash used to write, the writers expect us to simply enjoy the trip. Just to be clear, personally I prefer to make the questions and I would like them to have better answers. But with only 13 episodes left I don’t think we will have those questions answered at all.
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There is much information about Hexenbiest and Zauberbiest Wesen here: http://grimm.wikia.com/wiki/Hexenbiest_%...leComments The list of the surviving hexes and zaubers includes: Quote: Adalind SchadeWill Kelly display signs of being zauber? Under "behavior" note these items: Quote:They work at the command of royalty and are extremely loyal creatures, but they are only loyal to whomever they serve, as to others they are treacherous and manipulative, even to their own kind. If the remaining Hexens and Zaubers do not trust each other, and other Wesen cannot trust them, should the titular Grimm, Nick, trust any of them? IMO he would be a fool (again) to trust any of them. They are a pit of vipers and the writers may decide to have them all smear and likely destroy each other. Perhaps the show will end with sweet little Kelly turning on Daddy Nick? That could be the ultimate turn to the dark side that ends Grimm with evil the victor. N G
11-18-2016, 03:03 PM
For Nick to not trust Juliette or Adalind because they are hexenbiest. Would say that Monroe should not trust Rosalee because she is a fuchsbau. Remember Monroe said when you shake a fuchsbau hand you better count your fingers.
Adalind and Hexenette where both secretive and misleading. Eve did not see a need to lie. She was not concerned about what others thought.
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11-18-2016, 04:47 PM
(11-18-2016, 07:01 AM)irukandji Wrote: I know what they did. What I'm saying is that it was done so poorly that if the audience sees how ridiculous this pregnancy is, shouldn't Nick? IMNTBMFHO, this is a largely unintentional insult by the writer's directed at the intelligence of the perceived audience. It is in large part why I have maintained the potential of Grimm was wasted by hack writing. It is also why I would never intentionally watch another G&K series until after it had completed its run and the reviews were in. But then, other people have other considerations in mind when they watch a show. Grimm was the only series we started watching as a family that we did not review before hand. Now with this experience under our belt we have taken to only watching a series after several seasons are in or completed. In that regard Grimm has been very instructive.
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11-18-2016, 05:52 PM
I wonder what people expect of the show. I hear comments about what message the show sends. or how the character actions are illogical. People also complain about characters ignoring past behavior. or not holding people accountable. I ask do people hold situation commodes to the same standard. So why hold a situation drama. They may solve crimes but it is not a mystery. There may be drama but it is not trying to tell a story. It is not even trying to construct a world that Grimm and wesen inhabit. The takes each episode and creates situations where the writers perform their jokes, actions, and titillating situations. That the episodes connect keeps the creation of the groundwork to a minimum. The show only exist for pure entertainment. It is not meant to create thoughtful evaluation. People seem to feel it should follow the same as literature. It should have meaning and purpose. Some shows remind and comment on the issues of reality. Some shows are purely an escape. Grimm provides an escape, reason why it has little resemblance to reality.
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(11-18-2016, 07:34 AM)izzy Wrote: That pretty much sums it up. The facts are pretty simple. Adalind is a girl who engages in very casual sex, and she is KNOWN to use her sexuality to manipulate people to advance her agenda. Nick knows this. Given, at the time, he had no romantic feelings toward Adalind he would have to be a complete and total idiot not to demand a paternity test of Adalind to prove he was the child’s father. I cannot think of any male I know (and I know some true idiots) who would not challenge any alleged paternity of a woman of Adalind’s persuasion. And any friend would have questioned about it, repeatedly. Friends don’t let friends become cuckolds. I just watched another television program the other day where the female comes up to the male, only this time with a baby in the carriage, and tells the guy, "Guess what? You're the father". We were watching the guy's reaction, and he believed her. The first thing out of my husband's mouth was, "get a paternity test". I can understand teenagers falling for this, they don't have a lot of adult life experiences. But these 30 something men believing what they're told with no question is completely beyond my understanding. Izzy, you brought up some thoughts about friends and what they wouldn't let other friends do. I was thinking about and wanted to throw out some comments because this is an interesting perspective. First, Hank. Now this is the man who had absolutely no issue pulling a gun on Juliette when she started to get out of hand. Yet he has nothing to say to Nick about Adalind moving in and playing house in the fome. She tried to murder him. I can't imagine a guy just shrugging that off like it never happened. Then there's Monroe. He has an opinion about everything, and had no problem continuing to look for a cure when Nick lost his Grimmness, even though Juliette asked him not to. Yet he too has nothing to say and ends up putting together baby furniture. It goes way beyond hack writing because it make Nick look like a weak person who has even weaker friends. (11-18-2016, 08:28 AM)degrimm Wrote: i think the whole point of season 5 and ending of season 4 is a desperate move on the part of the writers- to get us believing adalind was actually a good person (despite her bad reputation which we should relate to her mum) and that she wont necessarily/unnecessarily kill someone even if she has the power to do so and vice versa for juliette that for all the good she has in her, she has a potential to be bad, if given a power to get back at anyone-- why so so much more emphasis is kept on her trying to kill a baby and her association in killing their house neigbhors unnecessary and nick' mum. Adalind has both Nick, Renard, baby Kelly and Diana. Monroe has Rosalee, Trubel has a new career and Juliette has zippity doo dah. My thought is that there's way too much imbalance here and Adalind's going to lose a few things in the next 13 episodes. (11-18-2016, 06:09 PM)irukandji Wrote: It goes way beyond hack writing because it make Nick look like a weak person who has even weaker friends. Exactly. This is why in the past I have made comments about Nick's character. I think is he was tried and convicted of his many crimes and ended up in prison where he belongs he would be a "punk". He pretty much is one now in many ways. I have pointed this out several times, but if Nick's situation was known at the police station he would be a laughing stock. As for his friends, based on how they conduct themselves they may be his best friends but I would consider them more like work associates. Nick may just be one lonely, awkward guy. I really do not see Nick having that tight of a friendship with anyone other than Truble and even that relationship is not exactly friends but something else altogether. In the end, can you say loser boys and girls? A normal and intelligent response when you are not in a committed and exclusive relationship with a woman who tells you that you are a father is demand a paternity test. And a normal response to a woman like Adalind who claims you are her baby's daddy would be to demand a paternity test and also get a lawyer and once paternity is certain go to a family counselor to work out the intrinsics of parenting. The response of an idiot is oh wow I am going to a be a daddy. Hey how about you move in with me and here is a credit card because our previous relationship laid such a strong foundation for a trusting nurturing relationship to rear a child in that I am sure there will be no issues.
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11-19-2016, 01:46 AM
I have always wondered why the show did not plan better how to deal with Claire's pregnancy. In Trial by Fire where Adalind and Juliette fought, Claire was pregnant but barely showing. The next episode when she goes to see Henrietta she is obviously pregnant. Remember there was a large filming break between these two episodes. Even with the over size white coat it was obvious she was pregnant. That is why her being surprised seemed so off and made her surprise seem ridicules.
I think the fight was suppose to be the reason why Adalind was going to be on the run so she could ride out her pregnancy off screen. Then someone got the bright idea that having a kid with Nick would make a good reason to switch Nick and Juliette for Nick and Adalind. Juliette transition to Eve was smooth. Even removing the trailer fit into the story line. Adding Kelly has seemed really forced. The conversations while Juliette was in jail would have been enough to explain her changing sides. All of season 5 Kelly and Adalind being in the picture with Nick did nothing. The season would have played the same had Nick been alone. The one thing having Adalind there did do. Was to show Nick actually able to live with a hexenbiest. I think this will play a big part in his trying to reconnect with Evette. But that could have been achieved with his interactions and working with Eve could have explained his acceptance. The show seems to be built on the creation of these long chain of events. some are explicit. Such as Adalind losing her powers causing the need for Diana. Diana led Nick losing his powers which led to Hexenette. Some are speculation such as. If Adalind had not done the ritual to get her powers back. The taking and restoring of Nick powers would not have created Hexenette. Both ideas make for a plausible explanation for the results. I question would we have Eve without baby Kelly. Like i said baby Kelly seems unplanned or either rushed. Kelly did provide a lot of reasons for what created Eve. Juliette had reason to become Eve without Kelly. But Kelly did emphasize her reason for being angry. Kelly also made a really good transition for Adalind.
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