(06-23-2018, 12:47 PM)irukandji Wrote:(06-23-2018, 09:33 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: On another note, the first act of aggression has already been discussed as well. Juliette shook the shop with everyone in it. Why is that not considered an act of aggression but Rosalee lunging towards the potion is? That already happened before Juliette tossed her across the room.
Actually, I don't recall anyone stating that the lunge was the very, very, very first act of aggression. I also don't recall anyone disagreeing that Juliette's telekinetic shaking of the spice shop was an act of aggression.
I said Rosalee's lunge toward Juliette could have been viewed as an act of aggression by Juliette, but it was Juliette who attacked first, there's no question about that.
This isn't directed towards you because you acknowledge that Juliette attacked first. Therefore, other posters shouldn't come in arguing why the scoobies attacked Juliette. It's because they were attacked first.
(06-23-2018, 12:47 PM)irukandji Wrote:(06-23-2018, 09:33 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: This is just a retread of an old debate. Rosalee was not going to force Juliette to take the potion. Does anyone honestly believe she would? Saving the only potion they had does not equate to her deciding to force Juliette into taking it.
Uh, yeah, there are those who do. The question of why she would risk so much to recover a jar of potion is one indication to me that if Juliette didn't take it and Rosalee could save it, the scoobies would find a way to make her take it.
Just what did you think Rosalee was going to do with it if she had managed to catch it?
The second is the alternative if she didn't take the potion and that came from Nick himself. Juliette had already smashed the potion and asks the the question, "when are you all going to learn I like who I am?"
Instead of Nick applying his usual grimm logic and saying he gets it, you know how he replies. He answers, "well we don't".
Yet that's not even taken into consideration as a threat at all. I keep reading these statements that Juliette was free to make the choice of going to the spice shop or not go to the spice shop. But yet no one states anything about why the scoobies themselves continued to escalate the situation by refusing to let her leave the spice shop when it was obvious no one was going to make her do anything.
Yes she shook the spice shop and yes she threw Rosalee across the room. Why didn't Nick, Hank, and Monroe just tell her to get out at that point? Why did they take it to the extreme and threaten her with her life just because she didn't want to take their potion? By that point it was gone and none of them were going to defeat her. But they wouldn't let her just go.
Rosalee lunged at it because it was the only potion they had. That makes it valuable enough to save it. Rosalee would've just kept the potion until Juliette decided she wanted to take it just like the original plan was before the confrontation. Juliette would not have been given a heads up otherwise.
Nick said what he said after Juliette attacked. That is a key detail that shouldn't be omitted. Why should he like he and his friends being attacked by her?
Telling Juliette to get out would've done no good at that point. They had to defend themselves instead of hoping she would leave. A pretty please just wasn't going to cut it and they shouldn't assume it would.
How did they escalate the situation? Do you expect Monroe not to defend his wife? It's something he has done the entire series when someone attacks her and I doubt Juliette doesn't know it. Nick and Hank are also going to defend their friends despite how futile it is. These are the same people that would go on to attack Zerstorer himself in an effort to protect each other.
Once again, they didn't take it to the extreme and threaten her because she didn't want to take the potion. They attacked because they were attacked first. It had nothing to do with her not taking the potion. They had ample opportunities to do so once she became a Hexenbiest. That never happened because Juliette didn't attack them directly until that night. And that's considering they already knew she was pissed off enough to burn the trailer and her acts of aggression had been escalating recently.