(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Nick’s truce with Adalind isn’t any more foolish than his truce with Renard. Trusting Adalind to make a potion as promised isn’t any more foolish than him accepting Renard as a trusted ally. Both alliances potentially provided Nick an edge, and the only personal connection for Nick was that the baby might be his.
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Nick’s living arrangement with Adalind was after he believed Juliette was dead. Had Nick and Juliette been together, there’s no reason to believe he would have moved Adalind, the baby, and himself into the fome or anywhere else.
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Not even close to what I said. Nick agreed to trade protection for a suppressant to help Juliette. The personal connection for Nick was that if the spell hadn’t made Juliette a Hexenbiest, he would still want to protect a child believed to be his.
Part of this deal involves Nick protecting Adalind and his child. He apparently wanted to do so. At least, part of the that protection involves oversight. I don't know how else a person can protect another without it.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't believe this for one second. I don't believe Juliette would take Adalind's baby from her.
(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Based on her having participated in the first kidnapping?
If I had thought that, I would have noted that in my original response.
(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Juliette’s shock and fear at realizing she was a Hexenbiest is not the same as her fearing Nick will kill her simply because he’s a Grimm and she’s a Hexenbiest. Considering Juliette’s initial shock, her lack of understanding for Nick’s initial shock seems unreasonable.
You stated previously that Juliette didn't need any time to consider how Nick's grimm/wesen world would affect her life, but instead eagerly jumped into his bizarre world. Considering that and Nick’s circle, it’s ridiculous that Juliette would instantly fear Nick would kill her because a spell turned her into a Hexenbiest.
In my opinion, Juliette's shock and fear at realizing she was a hexenbiest go hand in hand with the fear that Nick will kill her because he is a grimm and she's a hexenbiest. Juliette the human was not prone to shock and fear when viewing herself in the mirror. That only occurred when she was transitioning to a hexenbiest.
The series set out to prove to viewers that spells and potions are serious things. They made a point of telling viewers that in this case, there could be side effects. These aren't things a human can overcome simply because they know of Nick and his wesen world. Both Hank and Juliette were part of Nick's world, yet both fell victim to spells.
The explanation behind Juliette's initial fear of Nick killing her made perfect sense to me. There would certainly be a period of adjustment for any woman transitioning to hexenbiest. Both Henrietta and Adalind made that clear.
(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Juliette understood that Nick pointed his gun at who he believed was Adalind. Otherwise she wouldn’t have bothered sharing private information to confirm her true identity. Nick didn’t point a gun at Juliette until the Spice Shop altercation.
You're stating that Nick's only alternative was to point a gun at Juliette because he believed she was Adalind.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Juliette retaliated against Nick and Nick alone. Rosalee, Monroe and Hank had no vested interest in the trailer or in Kelly.
(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Even if that were the case, which I don’t think it was, it doesn’t change Juliette’s motivation. She was a woman scorned and she retaliated as such. Just as Adalind retaliated when Nick killed her Hexenbiest. Adalind didn’t care that Nick was only trying to save Hank. She wanted revenge for what she considered a personal wrong against her. Like Adalind, Juliette didn't care that she chose to perform the reversal spell or that she was warned of unknown consequences. And like Adalind, she wanted revenge for what she considered a personal wrong against her.
I stated Juliette retaliated against Nick. With this post, I also include Adalind as well. But her retaliation was aimed at them, not her friends. Monroe, Rosalee and Hank can certainly be outraged over her conduct, but in the same token, they all know it was Nick and Adalind she was targeting.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Kenneth took a bigger gamble than that. He had no guarantee that Juliette wasn't going to align with the scoobies when she went to the spice shop. I could say that was a test of her loyalty and she passed it as far as Kenneth was concerned, but that isn't correct either. Kenneth never trusted Juliette after the spice shop incident. If he had, he wouldn't have required that she stay in the hotel with him, where he could keep a watchful eye on her.
(05-12-2018, 11:14 AM)Robyn Wrote: Storylines often turn on a ‘didn’t see that coming’ event, but I don’t recall anything about Juliette’s interaction with Kenneth that made me think she might decide to work things out with Nick and the others at the Spice Shop. Kenneth's uncertainty about Juliette might come into play in real life, but not so much in a fictional story that has a specific objective.
Kenneth's continuing distrust of Juliette made me think that he believed she might want to decide to work things out with Nick.
(05-13-2018, 09:12 AM)Tara Wrote: Uhm no, I didn't say Rosalee betrayed Juliette – but she could have been more opener to talk to her instead of stay away from her. Rosalee did visit her oh so great best friend in the jail for only one time. And she really don't try to open up to her. Rosalee's only attempt is to talk to her was over Nick to be a Grimm again. I don't want to blame Rosalee, but if my best friend would behave like that I think I would questioning our friendship.
A great friendship is a good thing. It is a give and take and the certainty of being there for the other. It wasn't Rosale alone, but also Monroe too. But this was just the one topic "Nick being a Grimm again" And no one really bother with Juliette till it was "almost" to late.
Rosalee's a good egg, but it was evident to me that she was a player on the team of Nick. From the perspective of a wesen, I suppose that kind of outlook makes the most sense for her. While she was friendly with Juliette, Rosalee really never took a step forward in getting to know other humans. (I do not count Wu and Hank in that mix. Those were Nick's additions).
Rosalee really seemed content with being on Team Nick and looking out for his best interests.
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