(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Not to split hairs here, but wouldn't oversight of his son be part of protecting his baby? Isn't that part of the reason why he brought Adalind and the baby to his house, and then later, the fome?Nick’s living arrangement with Adalind was after he believed Juliette was dead. Had Nick and Juliette been together, there’s no reason to believe he would have moved Adalind, the baby, and himself into the fome or anywhere else.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't believe this for one second. I don't believe Juliette would take Adalind's baby from her.Based on her having participated in the first kidnapping?
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: I agree she should have left long ago, but I also see the reason why she stayed. If she's woging without provocation, there's no guarantee that isn't going to happen on the street somewhere. And to be frank, I have no idea where she'd go. After she left Nick, she confessed to Renard that she'd been sleeping in her car.Juliette’s shock and fear at realizing she was a Hexenbiest is not the same as her fearing Nick will kill her simply because he’s a Grimm and she’s a Hexenbiest. Considering Juliette’s initial shock, her lack of understanding for Nick’s initial shock seems unreasonable.
As for being afraid, Juliette demonstrated that she was afraid. She looked at herself and screamed the first time she viewed herself as a hexenbiest. If that's not fear, I don't know what is.
As you yourself pointed out earlier, Juliette's ability to process rational thought was not incapacitated. She said she was afraid Nick would kill her. Mistake or not, Nick pulled a gun on her. There's no other way to interpret that other than Nick was going to use his gun to kill her. He put the gun away but that doesn't mean it's a forgotten incident because it's something that is unforgettable. A rational mind would equate the incident with being a hexenbiest and thus Nick's potential target. She was right.
Juliette understood that Nick pointed his gun at who he believed was Adalind. Otherwise she wouldn’t have bothered sharing private information to confirm her true identity. Nick didn’t point a gun at Juliette until the Spice Shop altercation.
Juliette took Henrietta at her word that the Hexenbiest was permanent and Nick would likely take her head, so it’s reasonable she should have also taken Henrietta at her word that she’d learn to control the Hexenbiest.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Juliette retaliated against Nick and Nick alone. Rosalee, Monroe and Hank had no vested interest in the trailer or in Kelly.Even if that were the case, which I don’t think it was, it doesn’t change Juliette’s motivation. She was a woman scorned and she retaliated as such. Just as Adalind retaliated when Nick killed her Hexenbiest. Adalind didn’t care that Nick was only trying to save Hank. She wanted revenge for what she considered a personal wrong against her. Like Adalind, Juliette didn't care that she chose to perform the reversal spell or that she was warned of unknown consequences. And like Adalind, she wanted revenge for what she considered a personal wrong against her.
(05-12-2018, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote: Kenneth took a bigger gamble than that. He had no guarantee that Juliette wasn't going to align with the scoobies when she went to the spice shop. I could say that was a test of her loyalty and she passed it as far as Kenneth was concerned, but that isn't correct either. Kenneth never trusted Juliette after the spice shop incident. If he had, he wouldn't have required that she stay in the hotel with him, where he could keep a watchful eye on her.Storylines often turn on a ‘didn’t see that coming’ event, but I don’t recall anything about Juliette’s interaction with Kenneth that made me think she might decide to work things out with Nick and the others at the Spice Shop. Kenneth's uncertainty about Juliette might come into play in real life, but not so much in a fictional story that has a specific objective.
(05-12-2018, 12:57 AM)Tara Wrote: Uhm I know it will be very uncomfortable when I write it that way but still I need do it now: If it had not been for Juliette - that Adalind needed protection, would Nick have ever seen his own son?There’s no reason to believe Adalind intended for Nick to learn about the baby until she required his protection against Juliette and Kenneth.
I mean, because she was looking for another father for her son, since her plan did not work the way she wanted it to be. After that she reached Nick.
That said, it should never be an all or nothing scenario concerning any character, which is what so many of these discussions descend to. All the characters have done bad things for right and wrong reasons and good things for right and wrong reasons. But one character’s villainous behavior will never validate another character’s villainous behavior.
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