05-12-2018, 06:57 AM
(05-09-2018, 04:36 AM)irukandji Wrote: It’s not ridiculous at all, unless you consider the effects Nick has experienced as a result of his wesen encounters ridiculous. I recall Nick being affected by the zombie poison. He murdered a man and if I recall correctly, went after an innocent family as well as attacked Juliette. The second instance of being affected by the wesen world was when the tears of the muse touched Nick. He became instantly obsessed with the muse and because of his obsession, became dangerous. Juliette became a hexenbiest, and as a result, her perceptions and feelings reflected those of a hexenbiest. Being afraid of Nick isn't out of the question at all.It is considering their life together up to that point, which Juliette would have to disregard to assume Nick would be compelled to kill her. Nick’s closest friends were a Blutbad and Fuchsbau, he had ample opportunity to kill Adalind when they kidnapped her baby, he worked with Renard without having to control a Grimm compulsion to kill the Zauberbiest, and accepted Elizabeth’s help with the reversal spell without having to keep his Grimm compulsion to kill the Hexenbiest in check.
Juliette was emotionally devastated after realizing the spell had made her a Hexenbiest, but the event didn’t render her unable to process rational thought. She was capable of choosing to seek out Renard for advice and scheduling a meeting with Henrietta. Juliette not talking to Nick first was a personal choice, just as Nick deceiving Juliette about being a Grimm was a personal choice. Both choices were selfish, and both choices question the viability of their relationship regardless of Grimm and Hexenbiest interference.
(05-06-2018, 07:36 PM)irukandji Wrote: This suppression potion came from a woman who’s done nothing but irreparable harm to Nick and those he loves. I know the scoobies were involved in kidnapping Diana and so Adalind has some recourse there. However, Juliette and Hank did nothing to Adalind except reveal themselves to be convenient victims.Adalind’s attack on Hank was spearheaded by Renard. Adalind’s attack on Juliette was the result of Renard throwing her under the bus to strike a deal with Nick. Hank continued to work under Renard’s supervision without issue and Renard was the first person Juliette went to for help when she became a Hexenbiest.
The ridiculous part of all of this is that Nick would even remotely consider using this suppression potion to begin with. Juliette suffered side effects from the potion Elizabeth concocted and that was based on the mess that Adalind herself created. So he’s going to trust a suppression potion from the same woman?
Juliette’s aggressive condition was not so life threatening that Nick had to act immediately. Furthermore, if Nick was so willing to accept Juliette as a hexenbiest, why wasn't he bothering Adalind for advice on how to accept Juliette's condition, rather than immediately taking the suppression potion as the only alternative?
Nick’s truce with Adalind isn’t any more foolish than his truce with Renard. Trusting Adalind to make a potion as promised isn’t any more foolish than him accepting Renard as a trusted ally. Both alliances potentially provided Nick an edge, and the only personal connection for Nick was that the baby might be his.
(05-06-2018, 07:36 PM)irukandji Wrote: I didn’t say Henrietta advised Nick to stay away from Juliette while she worked things out. I said I believed that Juliette would come to terms with her hexenbiest and would eventually be someone Nick could deal with.
As for the unborn child, Juliette doesn’t have to speak lovingly or respectfully of it simply because it’s Nick’s kid and unborn. Aside from threats, she didn’t touch a hair on Adalind’s head and there is no proof she was going to. If there was such terror over Juliette’s entry into the precinct, then Nick should have seen to it Adalind was safe, not allow her to stand by and then open her big mouth when Nick had the situation relatively controlled.
I was responding to this statement:
(05-06-2018, 07:36 PM)irukandji Wrote: Actually, his wanting to rectify Juliette was very narrow minded. Henrietta told him to stay out of Juliette's way. I believe this to mean that eventually Juliette would come to terms with her hexenbiest and would eventually be someone Nick could deal with.
I interpreted ‘this’ as your belief Juliette would have worked things out for herself had Nick heeded Henrietta’s advice to stay out her way. I responded that Henrietta wasn’t offering Nick helpful relationship advice. She provided him two options for dealing with Juliette - kill her while he still could or stay a safe distance.
(05-06-2018, 07:36 PM)irukandji Wrote: Juliette told Nick she was leaving. He didn't try to stop her. I don't know why she'd have to make it perfectly clear to the rest of the scoobies when Nick no doubt filled them in.
As for toying with their lives in the spice shop, there was toying going on from both ends. The fact that four of the scoobies are on hand to witness Juliette taking the potion speaks more of a show of force than anything else. Nick and Hank are armed and Monroe's ready to woge at the slightest provocation.
When Juliette made it clear she liked who she was, it was Nick who replied, "we don't". What were the four of them planning on doing, restraining her and forcing her to drink the potion if she merely stood there and refused?
Juliette leaving Nick at any point is her choice. The issue is how she chose to make her decision clear to Nick and her former friends. She could have just as easily trashed an area of the Spice Shop and warned the group of any further contact. That Juliette chose to demonstrate how easily she could harm or kill them doesn’t speak to a woman who’s tired of friends trying to force a relationship she no longer wants.
Juliette could have answered one of Nick’s numerous calls to inform him she wasn’t going to meet with him and wasn’t interested in whatever concoction he had to ‘help’ her. She didn’t have to go to the Spice Shop to make her decision clear. But really, it wasn’t her decision she was following through on. Juliette was already working with Kenneth when Nick began calling her about the suppressant. She held off returning Nick’s call at Kenneth’s request and went to the Spice Shop at Kenneth’s request, just as she lured Kelly to the house at Kenneth’s request. Juliette followed the same destructive path with Kenneth that Adalind followed with Renard, and both women ultimately suffered the consequences of bad decisions.
Given their antagonistic history, Nick aligning with Adalind was a huge risk. But just as Adalind can’t rationally blame Renard and her mother for her decisions, Juliette can’t blame Nick, their friends, or Kenneth for her decisions. Just as Adalind could have cut ties with Renard and her mother to make a good life for herself, Juliette could have cut ties with Nick and their friends to make a life she could be happy with instead of aligning with Kenneth. Nick was a selfish jerk leaving the house that night and sleeping on the sofa when he returned. But Nick’s ill-fated reaction to Juliette being a Hexenbiest doesn’t hold up as the reason for Juliette’s mad dash to dropping a statue on Adalind, attacking Nick and their friends, aligning with Kenneth, and setting up Kelly. If Adalind’s previous actions established why Nick shouldn’t have trusted her, Juliette’s actions established why he should be equally leery of her. Both women were educated with established careers. And both women allowed their run-amok emotions and behavior to devastate that valuable benefit.
"If my devils are to leave me, I am afraid my angels will take flight as well." Rainer Maria Rilke