(09-13-2017, 10:12 PM)dicappatore Wrote:(09-13-2017, 09:34 PM)wesen Wrote:(09-13-2017, 09:19 PM)irukandji Wrote:Because it still makes sense and just gives a clearer picture of how the characters feel and interact with one another. One of the deleted scenes in season 5 was an extended scene of Adalind and Nick having sex in the loft. It was obviously cut due to time constraints, but it still supports the writers intentions and gives a clearer insight as to how passionate and intense their love making was.(09-13-2017, 09:13 PM)wesen Wrote:I think that's a great explanation for a person viewing it on their own who's willing to keep an open mind. If you were debating an issue on the forum with a deleted scene as part of the story, I don't see how that could work.(09-13-2017, 09:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: Why would anyone want to include deleted scenes? They were never part of what was shown on national television. Can you really make an argument out of a scene that most people never viewed?
Because if they were only deleted due to time constraints, they could still be used to show what the creators original intentions are for the characters. They could also provide much clearer explanation to the characters motivations and help provide further context to their actions.
When we see 2 or 3 actors, we don’t see the 30 or 40 crews and extras on set. On one interview, DG told us why they had to burn down the trailer. Every time they shot a scene in it, we dint see the dozen sweaty crew members behind the camera in such a cramped area. Deleted scene aren’t shot then discarded because they wanted to change the story line. The script is where the story line changes take place.
Then the scenes are shot. The script cannot predict the exact time of a scene. It’s an estimation. Then what ends up on the cutting floor is edited to fit the time slot. An issue that is not present in making a movie.
The production is not going to pay for actors and crew to shoot other possible options of the story just so they can change the storyline by deleting scenes. If you can find a producer that will pay for scenes to be shot just for trying other possible scenarios of the storyline. I will show you a producer out of work.
This is why deleted scenes are important, even if sometimes are part of a longer scene that was cut shorter. Like the scene when Renard is in bed with a Royal from Europe and he sees her face change into Juliette.
Very true. Thanks for the explanation. That's why I consider most of the deleted scenes I've seen so far to be canon, they just gave further insight into the development of the characters and their actions.
(09-13-2017, 11:58 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote:(09-13-2017, 09:10 AM)wesen Wrote: Can I ask, since you seem to have some inside scoop in the way things work behind scenes, were the deleted scenes deleted because the show creators wanted to change the storyline or was it due to time constraints?
There's a general one script page per screen minute rule that almost never comes in exactly right. So scripts are usually written with extra scenes in case a scene or two isn't as long on screen as expected, and during edit the director decides which "extra" scenes to omit. Most of the time the deleted scenes are the ones that have the least impact on the story, but sometimes a scene is deleted because it might cause viewers to expect the story to go places it isn't intended to go.
I have worked on some other productions where script revisions got handed out every day because they didn't like the scenes they got the day before. I never saw this happen on a Grimm shoot, but then again I was there for only a few episodes a season.
Thanks for the feedback. Found it interesting and supports my theory that most deleted scenes could be considered as canon, just as long as they don't deviate from what the creaters/director showed onscreen.