09-19-2017, 05:15 AM
(09-19-2017, 04:20 AM)irukandji Wrote:Of other people's thoughts, emotions, wants and needs without it communicated clearly to him? No he's not and was never written to be that way.(09-18-2017, 10:09 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: He proposed because he loved her.
Nick is supposed to be so perceptive, right?
Quote:He's the grimm.Yes, he's got the ability to see the "hidden" physical nature of wesen that regular humans can't, nothing that extends beyond this point unfortunately.
Quote:he seesYet he can't see that Juliette 's aloof, cold, and cruel to him so he proposes anyway? That doesn't make a lot of sense to me.Would it have mattered if he could see Juliette's "aloofness" and "cold" demeanor when he was supposedly in love with her? I doubt it. They had serious relationship problems but both swept them under the rug to hold on to whatever they both wanted from the other to the detriment of the actual relationship. Both had varying degrees of the "head in the sand" approach to dealing with their issues and it eventually blew up in both their faces.
Quote:I wasn't the one who stated he was needy, but maybe he was. Maybe he really didn't want to marry her at all, but he figured having an ice queen around was better than nothing at all.I take this as your opinion, okay but I disagree. I believe there's a difference between being needy and having a need to be needed. The former is a negative trait often relating to imposing yourself on people who would much rather you stepped back because you're overcrowding them because you're constantly seeking validation from them, whereas the latter is a crude definition of Nick wanting to protect those he loves from danger. If you see that as the same, sure go ahead but it's not how Nick was portrayed for the duration of the show. He was never "needy" imo, if he was, Juliette stayed with him even when she knew he was a liar and kept very important things from her. If she's the sensible one between them why did she not leave him? Anyway, I believe certain of Nick's characteristics, such as that of a protector (he was a cop) may have been heightened, a predisposition of his DNA and being a Grimm. A seasoned Grimm advised him to leave her because she knew the consequences befalling those not born into their "supernatural" world. Nick didn't share the same feeling so he stayed but by S6 he is regretful of his choices because of how Juliette was affected. He desire is always to protect, that never changes. It's not something they can switch off automatically which is why he struggled to go back to being a regular human.
Nick and Juliette's love for one another was flawed (like everything in the world) evidenced by the eventual break up. They didn't need to be perfect but they failed to address the arising problematic issues of their relationship in order to build a stronger union and ultimately, they fell apart. It doesn't mean they didn't love one another, only that it was never enough on either side to fix their problems which destroyed them in the end. I'm not talking about their capacity to love each other being insufficient only that they were missing other components in their relationship that should have sustained them during their trials as a couple as exposed in S4 such as the lack of true acceptance of the other, lack of mutual compromise, lack open communication without reservation because of how it would affect the other person, lack of mutual goals etc.
I do think the "coldness" was a result of the production end of the show (writing, direction, portrayal), not the character as she was meant to be perceived within the context of the show, at least not until S4.