02-12-2017, 04:16 PM
Kelly said "could." That was less of a prophecy than a statement of the obvious.
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02-12-2017, 04:16 PM
Kelly said "could." That was less of a prophecy than a statement of the obvious.
02-12-2017, 04:30 PM
Have to do my research on this, but I think she said the child was capable of great good or great evil, yada, yada, yada. It seemed to be a flat statement of something that would happen in the future. The thing is, we do not know if it will be a true prophecy or not because it hasn't happened yet. But we'll see.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
02-12-2017, 04:45 PM
(This post was last modified: 02-12-2017, 04:47 PM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
"In the wrong hands it could do great evil. But in the right hands it could do great good."
But it's not the words that matter, it's the context. They had just seen the baby shake the house and bend all the tableware and they knew opposing forces were vying for possession of her. Kelly could have said the same things about a truckload of AK-47s. Again, it's not an example of clairvoyance, just a statement of the obvious. Like, "If you're not careful with that hand grenade it might go off."
02-12-2017, 04:59 PM
If I weren't in such an ornery mood, I would cede the point.
Nevertheless, allow me to present the possibility that there was still an element of foresight into the future IF a person includes statements of the obvious as not being exclusive to prophetic content. I love the obvious, I depend on it to navigate me through a thought. I celebrate the obvious, I mourn the absence of it when something puzzles me. I appeal to it again and again to increase my statistical accuracy of observations. Don't knock the obvious, some of us would be lost without it. You're right about this, if we're going to appeal to the facts, I quit, haha.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
02-12-2017, 06:43 PM
I'd be open to the possibility if Kelly had ever shown any sign of clairvoyance. But this someone who sent her husband and a friend away because she thought they'd be safe. And walked Diana right into an ambush at Nick's house.
02-12-2017, 07:00 PM
Now that's a disqualifier, imo. If we could foresee all the future there would be no need to make decisions. Plus it may have been that the assassination of Kelly's husband and dear friend was necessary in order that she go on the run and give over her son for her sister to raise. Thereby assuring his safety so that he could be at the time and place to fulfill the prophecy we talk about on this forum. I could construct a similar argument about her answering Juliette's urgent request that she come and rescue her son - thereby rushing to her own date with death and setting off a chain of events that placed Diana at the same time and place as Nick and the others to keep an appointment with destiny.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
02-13-2017, 05:57 AM
I think the conserje was also a cómplice. You might not know that the owner was a "Wesen", but certainly did not mess with the deaths. Ignore them.
Curious what Rosalee says about his distraous life- his life in jail, maybe- and his desire to a shooting star. And then Monroe alluding perhaps to that she did not get what wanted. Eve says no. Would refer to what Juliette wanted his life. If as Nick and Rosalee say no. Maybe Nick thought about the death of his parents and what mention to Hank to marry once and forever. Was very innocent. Sometimes you plan something and it does not go as you expected.
02-13-2017, 09:00 AM
(02-12-2017, 07:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Now that's a disqualifier, imo. If we could foresee all the future there would be no need to make decisions. Plus it may have been that the assassination of Kelly's husband and dear friend was necessary in order that she go on the run and give over her son for her sister to raise. Thereby assuring his safety so that he could be at the time and place to fulfill the prophecy we talk about on this forum. I could construct a similar argument about her answering Juliette's urgent request that she come and rescue her son - thereby rushing to her own date with death and setting off a chain of events that placed Diana at the same time and place as Nick and the others to keep an appointment with destiny.This is well thought out post to get us to the prophecy part of season 6. Rereading this from season 3 adds to your point. Listen to me, both of you. This child has an extraordinary destiny. In the wrong hands, it could do great evil. But in the right hands, it could do great good. So we're talking, like, "changing the course of history" kind of a person. Look, I know how it sounds, but personalities appear in the world who people follow. There's no rational explanation why. Maybe it's not a coincidence that you brought. Adalind and her baby back here to Nick. - I'm sorry, what? - Carl jung, synchronicity. When two or more events aren't necessarily causally related but are connected through meaning. I don't care how this is connected. If Adalind has her powers back, she's not gonna be doing that kid any good, so as far as I'm concerned, the sooner we get her and her destiny to the Resistance, the better. Nick, that's not gonna work either. Mom, you've been doing this whole thing for the Resistance. The child can't belong to the Resistance or the Royals. She has to have a normal childhood, inasmuch as that's possible. How she is raised will make all the difference in who she becomes. (02-12-2017, 07:00 PM)speakeasy Wrote: Now that's a disqualifier, imo. If we could foresee all the future there would be no need to make decisions. Plus it may have been that the assassination of Kelly's husband and dear friend was necessary in order that she go on the run and give over her son for her sister to raise. Thereby assuring his safety so that he could be at the time and place to fulfill the prophecy we talk about on this forum. I could construct a similar argument about her answering Juliette's urgent request that she come and rescue her son - thereby rushing to her own date with death and setting off a chain of events that placed Diana at the same time and place as Nick and the others to keep an appointment with destiny. (02-13-2017, 09:00 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: This is well thought out post to get us to the prophecy part of season 6. Rereading this from season 3 adds to your point. Good post, jsgrimm45, thanks. I do believe the episode Synchronicity is referred to more than any other of the entire series of Grimm. There's the difference between coincidence and synchronicity - one is by chance and the other is by design, imo. Or prophecy. Kelly was given a revelation about Diana, in my view. She was made to know that Diana should not be in the hands of either the Royal family or the group opposing their machinations, the Resistance. Simply because either of those choices would be corrupting. Well, if we take into account the fact that the child is aging in advance of her chronological years (and probably maturing at the same rate intellectually, I hope) then we could posture that she's been sufficiently 'raised' away from both of these bad influences. That's a very good thing, considering what she will probably have to face at the end of the series. Comforting, and though I still worry about her safety from the effects of this event, somehow the feeling is reduced because of what Kelly had to say about a person who could attract great numbers of followers.
"The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation." Bertrand Russell - printed on a beer mat in "Shaun of The Dead".
02-13-2017, 09:51 AM
Looks like Meisner's gone for good this time. Thank the maker.
This show really needs to drop the WotW format. With only seven episodes left, they can't afford to monkey around. It didn't help this week's Wesen was a little stupid. Why couldn't she just pick up what she needed from any pharmacy in Portland? |
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