02-18-2019, 02:17 PM
Renard used Adalind for his own plans while Nick did not act like that.
02-18-2019, 02:17 PM
Renard used Adalind for his own plans while Nick did not act like that.
(02-18-2019, 12:50 PM)N_grimm Wrote: I saw a bitter and furious Renard when he lost the mayorship. His thirst for power was shown several times in the series, by the way. No one said he wasn't furious. But bitter? I never saw that. When Adalind lost her hexenbiest she was bitter. She was so bitter she became obsessed to the point of selling her baby in order to get another biest. When Nick lost his grimm, he was bitter, so bitter he moped around until he got it back. There's a difference between Renard's reaction and the reactions of Nick and Adalind. He was much more resilient than either of them.
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02-19-2019, 06:37 AM
Adalind feel a lot of frustration and hated about that and decided to get pregnant to pay for work- the spell-
Her acquaintances rejected her for becoming a simple human. Nick does not bother Juliette for being a " GRIMM" again. (02-18-2019, 10:10 PM)irukandji Wrote:(02-18-2019, 12:50 PM)N_grimm Wrote: I saw a bitter and furious Renard when he lost the mayorship. His thirst for power was shown several times in the series, by the way. Firstly, Renard was bitter. For example, he didn’t talk to Nick, Hank or Wu during the entire season 6 (until the Z-issue forced him to) – he only glared at them. Secondly, you are comparing Nick and Adalind losing their powers to Renard being stripped of the mayorship? That’s like comparing getting fired to losing an arm. (02-18-2019, 10:10 PM)irukandji Wrote: There's a difference between Renard's reaction and the reactions of Nick and Adalind. He was much more resilient than either of them. Renard was more resilient than Nick and Adalind? Tell me about all the terrible things Renard had to go through, like having his mother killed, loosing his powers, having his girlfriend being put in a coma and becoming a zombie. Renard spend most of his time in the office, when he wasn’t busy stabbing other people in the back. (02-19-2019, 12:39 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Secondly, you are comparing Nick and Adalind losing their powers to Renard being stripped of the mayorship? That’s like comparing getting fired to losing an arm. Nope, not comparing them at all. I said Renard wasn't bitter. (02-19-2019, 12:39 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Firstly, Renard was bitter. For example, he didn’t talk to Nick, Hank or Wu during the entire season 6 (until the Z-issue forced him to) – he only glared at them. I don't agree. I think he was furious, but that doesn't denote bitterness. Beside that, he's the captain. He doesn't have to talk to Nick, Hank or Wu.
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(02-19-2019, 01:14 PM)irukandji Wrote:(02-19-2019, 12:39 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Secondly, you are comparing Nick and Adalind losing their powers to Renard being stripped of the mayorship? That’s like comparing getting fired to losing an arm. You said: “There's a difference between Renard's reaction and the reactions of Nick and Adalind. He was much more resilient than either of them”. When I respond, you turn around and say: Nope, not comparing them at all". What did I misunderstand? (02-19-2019, 01:14 PM)irukandji Wrote: I don't agree. I think he was furious, but that doesn't denote bitterness. Beside that, he's the captain. He doesn't have to talk to Nick, Hank or Wu. It was shown that Renard avoided taking to Nick, Hank and Wu. He even delayed asking Nick about the tunnel, and when he did, he had a very aggressive tone. The only reason he did was because Adalind said: “You're gonna have to take that up with Nick. Goodbye”. Bitter = feeling or showing anger, hurt, or resentment because of bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment. Renard was clearly “showing anger” because he had an “bad experience” and felt he got “unjustified treatment” – in his mind, he deserved to be mayor. (02-19-2019, 02:37 PM)N_grimm Wrote: You said: “There's a difference between Renard's reaction and the reactions of Nick and Adalind. He was much more resilient than either of them”. When I respond, you turn around and say: Nope, not comparing them at all". What did I misunderstand? I look at the word, comparison, as an assessment of similarities between two or more things, people, etc. That was not my intent as I was citing differences. You said Renard was bitter. I disagreed and cited examples of bitterness in the series. I assumed you were doing the same when you posted this statement: Quote:Secondly, you are comparing Nick and Adalind losing their powers to Renard being stripped of the mayorship? That’s like comparing getting fired to losing an arm I don't know why you think I'd be making a comparison when it's seems from your statement that there is no comparison. Or am I misunderstanding what you're trying to say? (02-19-2019, 02:37 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Bitter = feeling or showing anger, hurt, or resentment because of bad experiences or a sense of unjust treatment. Renard was clearly “showing anger” because he had an “bad experience” and felt he got “unjustified treatment” – in his mind, he deserved to be mayor. I agree he was angry, furious even. I don't recall him voicing that he deserved to be mayor and so he was hatching some kind of plot to get it back. I also don't recall him seeking and getting revenge against Nick and Adalind for their little stunt. However, I'm assuming that if he did, I'm sure someone will be posting the script as proof.
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S06 was originally going to be Renard's turn at being the series' "big bad," with him attempting to use Diana and her abilities to rise to power and exact revenge on Nick and the scoobies. The only part that made it to the screen was a scene in 604 where Renard suggests to Diana that Nick might hurt Adalind. Then word came that the network wasn't going to spring for more than 13 episodes no matter how good the ratings were for the first 13. Renard the villain was abruptly scrapped, and a couple of filler episodes were put in the shooting order while the Z series finale arc was being worked on.
(02-19-2019, 04:27 PM)irukandji Wrote:You said Renard “was much more resilient than either of them”. That’s why I was asking about the comparation. But if you didn’t intend to make a comparison, that fine with me.(02-19-2019, 02:37 PM)N_grimm Wrote: You said: “There's a difference between Renard's reaction and the reactions of Nick and Adalind. He was much more resilient than either of them”. When I respond, you turn around and say: Nope, not comparing them at all". What did I misunderstand? (02-19-2019, 04:27 PM)irukandji Wrote: I agree he was angry, furious even. I don't recall him voicing that he deserved to be mayor and so he was hatching some kind of plot to get it back. I also don't recall him seeking and getting revenge against Nick and Adalind for their little stunt. However, I'm assuming that if he did, I'm sure someone will be posting the script as proof. I never said anything about Renard “hatching some kind of plot to get it back”, I tried to explain why his behavior was consistent with that of a bitter person. Renard thought he deserved to be Mayor – it’s something you can derive from the storyline and his personality. Besides, he shouted to Nick: “The people of the city elected me as mayor!”. In an early episode of Grimm, we saw Renard daydreaming about a big crowd of people worshiping him. Renard was very power-hungry. (02-19-2019, 10:21 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: S06 was originally going to be Renard's turn at being the series' "big bad," with him attempting to use Diana and her abilities to rise to power and exact revenge on Nick and the scoobies. The only part that made it to the screen was a scene in 604 where Renard suggests to Diana that Nick might hurt Adalind. Then word came that the network wasn't going to spring for more than 13 episodes no matter how good the ratings were for the first 13. Renard the villain was abruptly scrapped, and a couple of filler episodes were put in the shooting order while the Z series finale arc was being worked on. Do you know this or is it what you think happened? I’m taking about their plans for Renard in season 6.
02-20-2019, 02:03 PM
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Renard as "big bad" and Diana as key to his plots for S06 was official. Sasha Roiz was really looking forward to it. I have no idea how much of that was actually outlined or written. 604 was the last episode I was on set for, because a later one I was scheduled for got cancelled and replaced with a different one.
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