05-12-2018, 09:50 AM
(05-12-2018, 07:21 AM)irukandji Wrote: So all of this was so that Nick could have oversight of his baby, is that what you're saying?Not even close to what I said. Nick agreed to trade protection for a suppressant to help Juliette. The personal connection for Nick was that if the spell hadn’t made Juliette a Hexenbiest, he would still want to protect a child believed to be his.
But had Nick and Juliette been together at the time, I don’t see Juliette forcing Nick to choose between her and a child he fathered with Adalind. If anything, I’d assume they would just take another baby from Adalind. They gave Renard’s daughter to Nick’s mother, they’d keep Nick’s son for themselves.
(05-12-2018, 07:21 AM)irukandji Wrote: Juliette's reasoning in not telling Nick was not selfish. She was genuinely afraid for her life. I recall the episodes where she was in the house and would woge with no provocation to do so.Nick pulled his gun because he thought Adalind was imitating Juliette again, and quickly put it away once realizing his mistake. He wasn’t aggressive toward Juliette until the Spice Shop altercation.
Nick also drew his gun and was prepared to fire upon her when he thought she was Adalind. It's obvious Juliette didn't intend on being Adalind at that moment in time. She had no control and Nick could have very easily killed her. She was right in going to Renard to seek out Elizabeth.
That Juliette woged without provocation establishes she wasn’t experiencing fear, but woged without provocation because she hadn’t yet learned to control Hexenbiest inclinations. If Juliette was afraid of Nick she would have left once Henrietta concluded the Hexenbiest was permanent and confirmed her fear that Nick might kill her because he was a Grimm, not stay and tell him about it. I can understanding her fear of the unknown, but if Nick’s response was an unknown to Juliette, she should have ended the relationship long before the reversal spell.
(05-12-2018, 07:21 AM)irukandji Wrote: You're saying Juliette's responsible for her actions. I'm not disagreeing. I'm just saying Nick knew she was leaving. It wasn't up to Juliette to make sure Rosalee and the rest knew she was leaving. Nick would be the one to tell them.The gang siding with Nick wasn’t a surprising turn of events. I agree Rosalee was disappointing as a friend and as a woman, but, Rosalee expecting Juliette to give up the Hexenbiest for Nick wasn’t a reasonable defense for her retaliation. Juliette set fire to the trailer, attacked Adalind, Nick, and her former friends, aligned with Kenneth and set up Kelly because she was angry and hurt. The Hexenbiest provided her the skills and powers to act out that hurt and anger.
And in Juliette's defense, we saw how all of the scoobies pulled away from her. Rosalee talked to her about her headaches one day at the house, but what happened to Rosalee's concern for her friend after that? The next interaction we see between Rosalee and Juliette is in prison. And even then, Rosalee continues to rationalize that "they needed Nick to be a grimm" and so, Juliette's side effects are just that. They are Juliette's and no one else's because the important thing is that Nick got his grimm back.
This wasn't a case of all of the scoobies rallying around a fallen comrade to help her get back on her feet. Once Nick deserted her, they all followed. Nick is the lead on the scoobies. They're not going to pick Juliette over him.
As for the spice shop, I'm not disagreeing with your assessment of Juliette. Kenneth took a huge gamble in sending her there, knowing what she might do.
But what happened in the spice shop was not all Juliette's fault. I believe that a certain amount of responsibility also falls with Nick and the scoobies. Nick, Hank, and Monroe never should have been there. Armed as they were, they presented a show of force. There was no way for Juliette to see it otherwise.
Kenneth’s only gamble that I see was betting Juliette’s skills were prepared to defend herself if Nick & crew leveraged an attack. At that point he didn’t necessarily know how powerful Juliette already was. Kenneth probably regretted in hindsight not instructing Juliette to kill them all.
(05-12-2018, 07:21 AM)irukandji Wrote: This is an argument that's getting nowhere. I think we should just let this one die, lol.That’s okay with me, but it’s not really an argument, just a debate between two opposing views. Juliette and Nick seeking information from Henrietta only made their situation worse. The only plausible reason that the supposedly all-knowing Henrietta didn’t suggest a suppressant to subdue the Hexenbiest while Juliette came to terms with her predicament was that the show didn’t want the predicament resolved.
Juliette was planned as the S4 big bad causing Nick’s most turbulent woe-is-me event. The writers weren’t concerned that the Juliette character wouldn’t be salvageable because they already intended to reinvent her as a new character in the next season. So pushing Hexenbiest Juliette to the extreme wasn’t an issue for the show, just as presenting Kelly as a suddenly inept Grimm wasn’t an issue since the actor didn’t plan to reprise the role.
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