12-10-2017, 08:24 AM
(12-10-2017, 07:16 AM)Robyn Wrote: rpmaluki:
Quote:I'm not asking for the gang to consider Adalind's worth as a mother, whether they she's truly changed or not. I'm asking why they didn't consider the kidnapping a child from her mother wrong.
They were wrong regardless of Adalind.
To protect Diana from the Royals didn't need Adalind to be kept in the dark and away from Diana indefinitely yet that's what they all did, compounding their lie and honestly self serving actions. To deceive Viktor into assuming the resistance had Diana didn't involve stealing Diana away from Adalind permanently. Adalind came to them begging for all of their help and they sent her to the very person they wanted to keep far away from Diana. Viktor is the one figured out who had Diana when Adalind recited how she left Austria. Adalind didn't know Kelly had taken Diana until Viktor put the pieces together.
I bet if the gang known Adalind was the paragon of all things good and virtuous they would have worked just as hard to keep mother and daughter together, getting them both to safety as originally intended and the kidnapping would have been far from their minds because they'd actually know kidnapping was wrong. But since it's Adalind, was she not worth the consideration?
Quote:Please understand that I'm not arguing against fooling Viktor into thinking the Resistance had Diana. Clearly that was crucial. My problem is that the narrative did change from keeping Viktor from killing all of them in 3x18 to giving Kelly a second chance to be a mother in 4x12 as per dialogue. That is what gnaws at me. Diana already had a mother she loved, who loved her immensely and longed to be with her. Why continue to keep them separated when they had already succeed in keeping Viktor at bay? Hence I keep insisting it was a kidnapping, it may not have started as one because they were trying to protect everyone, including Adalind but it stopped being about protection when they sent Adalind back to Viktor and fostering Diana onto Kelly while knowing her real mother was desperate to have her back.
Team Grimm took an about face in S6. Before learning Zerstörer wanted the stick, they believed his prime objective was Diana. But instead of diverting the threat by getting rid of the child as they did in S3, they promised to protect Diana in Portland with her mother. As sadistic as the Royals were, they’d learned enough about Zerstörer by then to know he would be much more dangerous than the Royals could ever be, yet they immediately chose to put themselves between the threat and Diana. Were they compelled by a genuine desire to keep the child safe and with her mother in S6 because it was the right thing to do, or, compelled by Nick wanting/loving the child’s mother in S6?
But Adalind also took an about face when integrated with Team Grimm in S5. She no longer considered Nick and his people Diana’s kidnappers, but rather, Diana’s protectors. Actually, Adalind’s about face began in S4 when she stated to Nick that his mother died protecting her daughter.
I agree with you, rpmaluki, there wasn’t a legitimate reason for the gang taking Diana from Adalind in S3. But. From a production standpoint, there was a valid reason for the writers to remove the baby from Adalind’s current storyline and return her later after experiencing a quicker than lightning growth spurt and enhanced powers. I doubt the writers considered anything they wrote the good guys doing as questionable behavior, and certainly not immoral or illegal. And writing Adalind as angry only at Renard, who was clearly identified as Nick’s nemesis in S5, for ‘giving their daughter away’ further confirmed Team Grimm as protectors rather than kidnappers. Evidently, how Adalind rationalized Renard was wrong to give Diana to Kelly but Kelly was right to take her wasn’t worth mentioning in the storyline. Or perhaps explaining Adalind’s rationale risked bringing her newfound love and trusted friendships into question.
The reality is that the entire Adalind/Diana - Nick/Adalind storyline is so convoluted and riddled with plot holes that one either accepts the official version at face value or is continually faced with questions that can never be satisfactorily answered. But I think that pretty much sums up the entire show, because for me, Juliette’s blink and you miss it transitions from loving & loyal girlfriend to maniacal & vengeful Hexenbiest to an emotionally detached new character to a Juliette/Eve hybrid is equally convoluted and riddled with plot holes. That was G & K’s method - write the stories they wanted to tell and the characters be damned. Their approach worked if viewers accepted the good guys are good no matter their actions and that progressing from bad guy to good guy required loyalty to Nick. But it didn’t work with all the storylines for those wanting more character development than Grimm good and anyone against Grimm bad.
IMO, given the state of Adalind known to the gang at the time of the kidnapping, since the gang was unaware of her epiphany, the kidnapping was to protect Diana from Adalind. Remember, the gang wasn't with her, after she got her Hex back, before she gave birth. They weren’t with her and Meisner in that cabin. Kelly did not know Adalind well. Kelly was now also aware, about Adalind trying to kill her sister and putting Juliette in a coma.
When you add up all these circumstances and then topping it off with the crew being led by Diana’s father, Sean. If I was with that gang, I would have gone along with the rest. I know that Kidnapping is not legal, but this crew did a lot of illegal things concerning Wesen matter. This was a wesen matter.
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