05-27-2013, 04:18 PM
(05-26-2013, 02:42 PM)HellJacket Wrote:(05-26-2013, 11:55 AM)grimmfreak Wrote: true, but all this can be explained. If you can come up with a scenario that explains away torture racism and genocide than I submit to your opinionI can come up with a scenario that can explain any of those situations as being "good." That doesn't mean they apply here, though.
There is no default position that anything is always wrong until proven otherwise. In the absence of facts, I do not make decisions. Hence, I'm criticizing the positions of people who do.
personally, I believe it has been proven that torture, racism and genocide are 100% wrong... I wont bother trying to make all 3 arguments at once, so I will pick the first.
Torture is wrong on three levels
1 is the obvious moral reason that an enemy, no matter how vile, should not be harmed when defenseless but alas, this reason is subjective, so let me move on.
2 if you commit torture than the other side will than be that much more likely to do the same. If you are in a conflict big enough to bring up the option of torture it is likely that your opposition has or will have prisoners of their own. So any harm you do may result in harm done to your own. The obvious exception to this is that your opponent has already done it... so...
3 it doesn't work. As has been proven many times, information obtained by torture (or threat of harm) cannot be trusted. Two examples... the Spanish are Inquisition and The Red Scare. In both instances the guilty mostly kept quiet while the innocent usually informed on anyone they didn't like... annoying neighbors, business rivals etc... the only confirmable info you could get is defense codes but any enemy with any sense, will change such things as before they are compromised.