(10-05-2016, 01:14 PM)irukandji Wrote: Next, Nick. It's apparent to me that he is really unconcerned with the next generation of Grimms, if there are any.Nick won’t be concerned about the next anything until it’s punching him in the face.
(10-05-2016, 01:14 PM)irukandji Wrote: Trubel doesn't appear to be concerned with the next generation of Grimms either, being involved in the deadly warfare between HW and BC. Now that that is over, I don't see her giving up the Grimm lifestyle. I think she likes the rush.Trubel reminds me of what a young Kelly would have been like - The Grimm instinct is stronger than any other instinct.
(10-05-2016, 05:09 PM)izzy Wrote: Hmmm...so how does this work with women? I can remember the precise moment I decided I wanted a family. The next day I went about altering lifestyle dramatically. Oh and by the way, there was no particular female involved, I was doing the male woman of the week thing at that time. It was like flipping a light switch. Could Truble be all Grimm on Monday and suddenly wanting to be mother on Tuesday? Kind of curious hwo that works with the fairer sex. It seems to me with all the babies around Truble might see a different life for herself.Trubel is a product of her history and happenstance, and I don’t think she’s experienced a sufficient life on her own that enables her to step away from that mold. Nick & Juliette offered the first stability after a chaotic & confusing childhood. Nick couldn’t really offer much more than teaching her how to be a Grimm based on his limited knowledge & experience. Juliette was her first female role model, and one that only followed the Grimm’s lead until breaking away from the unit to become a soldier/fighting machine who was emotionally disconnected from the world around her. Meisner picked up the reins and further trained Trubel to be an obedient & mission-focused soldier. So far, Monroe & Rosalee and Bud & Wife (don’t know her name) have been the only examples of family life, and theirs is constantly in danger & chaos because of their association with the Grimm.
On a personal note - I can’t relate to deciding then planning to settle down. Perhaps I was simply fortunate to experience the ‘click’ which led me to wanting to plan my future with that special someone. Before the ‘click’ moment escalated into an ‘oh, wow, this is what Mom was talking about’ realization, my planning was all about what I wanted.
(10-05-2016, 03:43 PM)izzy Wrote: In terms of the fantasy that is Grimm I fail to see where Grimms are a value add in a modern world. The logical, adult way the series should conclude is with Rosalee and Monroe acting as Consiglieres to a new wesen council. In the past we have seen that the wesen council brought about compliance via fear to most wesen, so they certainly had a way to enforce their laws. It seems to me the wesen council was mostly effective in their role. Under a new council they could have a more inclusive approach and even broach allowing a Grimm a set at the table, as enforcers, although as mentioned they really are not needed. Reworking the council in a more tribunal form of government with an internal judicial system would be the mature way to end the series. Grimms are archaic. As I mentioned the council obviously could enforce their will when needed. given that, Grimms are superfluous; just make the enforcers working in harmony with the council. In effect, Nick could go back to being cop, only for the new wesen council.If better fleshed out than the HW/BC arc, I think this could be a very interesting final season. The Wesen Uprising should have an impact on business as usual that doesn’t instantly disappear.
(10-06-2016, 08:41 AM)irukandji Wrote: I thought Juliette said something to Nick. If she didn't, that just solidifies my point about women who believe having a baby will solve their relationship problems. In her own way, Adalind pulled the same stunt with Nick but for a different reason. She told Nick at almost the very last minute she was having his child. Then, in one of the creepiest things I have ever witnessed in a television show, she forced him to *feel* his child.
(10-06-2016, 01:21 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Goes without saying I disagree. I do see Adalind only coming to Nick to protect her from Juliette, but the feel the baby statement was the first IMO sign she wanted the baby and for it to have a dad. Now with Diana we never seen this until after the birth. She did use Diana to try and get Renard help from the royals. So in a way your point on child to get something from the father is valid point, she use both children for this.Never been good remembering details, but I thought Juliette was relieved she wasn’t pregnant. Adalind pulling Nick’s hand to her stomach was creepy, but I took it as a desperate attempt to establish a connection between Nick & the baby which would ensure Nick’s protection, at least temporarily. It was all about survival, and Adalind will do whatever is necessary to survive. I don’t think Adalind ever considered telling Nick about the baby until their lives were in immediate danger from the Royals/Juliette. At that point, Nick was one of the people who kidnapped her first baby, why would she see him as anything other than a last-ditch effort to survive.
Sorry for the long posts, but life isn’t allowing me any play time. So on to Diana….
I can’t fathom what G & K were planning when they dreamed up the nightmare plot twist that is Diana. But considering the two seasons of absolute ambiguity following her birth, they did as much pre planning of the Diana character as they did the keys - zero.
Taking into account that Diana was able to fight off outside threats while in utero, it makes sense she was aware of the people & events around her. The problem is G & K changed up what the child would react to and how she would react to the point that you can’t make logical conclusions based on her behavior.
Depending on what G & K needed for a particular story, Diana either actively intervened or remained docile without explanation, and none of the characters were presented as intelligent enough to question the vast differences in her behavior. At the very least, Adalind should have wondered why Diana was initially proactive in keeping them safe & together only to willingly go with Viktor, then Kelly, then Juliette/Kenneth, then Meisner. At the very least, Adalind should have questioned why Diana didn’t reach out to her before if her power enabled her to kill someone miles away. And the only logical reason is that intelligent observation from any of the characters would interfere with lazy storytelling.
I don’t really care if Diana morphs into the big bad in S6 or remains the troubling, petulant child from S5, except - the whole of seasons 3 & 4 was predicated on this super-powered child entity who had to be kept out of the hands of the Royals or any other nefarious faction to avoid the risk world annihilation. But the Royals do get the baby, at least the heroes believe they have, and no one fears the deadly consequences that compelled them to kidnap a baby from her mother, or even expresses any concern for the child’s wellbeing. And that leaves me with two options for S6 - Diana is a troubling, petulant child who should have never been taken from her mother, and the gang of heroes are as cruel & self-serving as I’ve come to believe over five seasons OR Diana morphs into the ultimate big bad, and confirms the kidnapping might have been the right course of action, but one that failed to prevent Diana’s predetermined destiny.
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