06-23-2015, 08:15 PM
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: When I first watched Grimm, I got the impression that Nick was a good man, with heart and integrity, despite the problems he was dealing with.
I agree with you in that. But I also saw Nicks changing during the show. First season he was more taking criminals to the system. Now he is more deciding to himself.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: Shortly after, his aunt comes bounding into town with her trailer. She tells him he’s a Grimm, one of the last of his kind, and among other things, tells him about wesen and that he *has* to decide who is a good wesen and who is a bad wesen. Just to clarify, I couldn’t recall her telling him this, so am basing it on what you said.
I remember that aunt Marie saying this. I may be wrong, my memoriy is not that good.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: Nick swore an oath to uphold the law before he took office. The oath would have forbid him to use his own discretion in deciding who is guilty and who is innocent. That responsibility rests with the people. Nick’s an intelligent man. None of this would have been incomprehensible to him.My argue here is more about the show. Grimm is about na unknonw world that exists but we don't know it exists. When I say grimm is not a CSI is not because I want it to have DNA tests and this stuf. I am talking about the intention of the show witch means the inside contexto where the show exists. CSI is about scientific proves created to give support to system. Grimm is about a hide world between us. The writers made Nick a policeman. He could be anything else. I see the police stuf in grimm as a background that could be changed... It is not the base of the show. CSI, diferently, is about police and proves and this stuf. Take out the law system and there is no CSI.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: So back to the frog girl. She killed two people. I can’t say what happened to the first guy, we never see the events immediately preceding his death. If I recall correctly, only the audience sees the second killing and it is clearly self-defense. But (and correct me if I’m wrong here), Nick and Hank are not witnesses to the crime, so they only have the girl’s word on this.As far as I remember, Nick and Hank wanted to bring the girl to justice. Rosalee and Monroe that convinced Nick about the girl not being able to control herself about the poison. So, Rosalee judge the girl, not Nick. Nick only believed Rosalee about the characteristcs of that kind of wesen.Nicks decision was based on Rosalees knolodge/word... not the girls one.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: You talk about responsibility and decision making. What would have been the best course for Nick to take here? Should he have kept his oath and enforced the law according to said oath? Or should he have looked the pretty blonde girl over, *thought* she was good, *thought* she was telling the truth, and looked for a way to free her?I am have choose a diferent course of action, but this doesn't mean I consider a bad person for this decision he made... I can understand in what contexto he had to choose.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: We all know what he did and in my opinion, it was the wrong thing to do. Yes, it’s great, she gets a boyfriend and a tattoo that enables her to be human and everyone dances off into the sunset. But what would have happened if did the right thing and placed her in the system? You say the system would have known about her wesen condition then. Okay, so what? I don’t recall that the whole wesen issue was some closely guarded secret.It was said in the show that the wesen council forbids wesens to woge in public because in the past wesens were killed by normal humans that simply didn't understand the wesens. So, you are saing that Nick should take the girl to the system and if it brings to wesen killing it is ok?
I don't know if this would happend... but in the CONTEXT of the show, this is why the council exists... to avoid it. Would Nick take this risk? A normal detective wouldn't know that. But Nick does. Again I use the context argue. Looking just at the gril frog plot, is easy to say send her to the system and tell everyone what a wesen is... But what would be consequencies? Remember.... the council kill wesens that put the society in danger showing themselves in public. That is the context of the show.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have read comments on the forum that Nick is some new and different kind of wesen but I’m not sure why. Turning that girl in would have been the first step in something new and different. I’m not talking CSI here, but a storyline where the people learn she is a wesen, declare her innocence and in the process, a first major step is taken.
Explained above why not telling everyone about the wesens.... And Nick being diferent kind of grimm is said in the show... Wesens expect Nick to just kill them. But Nick doesn't.
The CSI thing I have explained also.
(06-23-2015, 07:34 PM)irukandji Wrote: Instead, Nick went down the dark path. He compromised his goodness and his integrity for his own benefit. And that's okay. This is Grimm and he's not supposed to be a knight in shining armor. But, going back to my original argument, if Juliette comes back, she should not have to do penance to Nick for betraying his mother. Both of them wronged for their own benefit. Just because his mother was involved doesn't make Juliette's betrayal any worse than Nick's actions.
This of course, as always, is my own opinion. Not fact.
I was talking just about Nicks action as policeman... Not comparing him with Juliette.
Nicks actions as policeman can't be comparade with his actions with Juliette because they are diferent contexts. And we can't compare Nicks actions to Juliettes actions too.
First, if I was to compare I would put Juliettes actions in the royal war context...Juliette choose Nick's enemy side. There is no betrayal here... Nick was the stupid one for not seeing this before his mother got murdered.
In my opinion, if Juliette comes back, there is no penance for Nick... and there is no penance for Juliette. They both burned all bridges and there is no way back for them. But this is another talk.