06-13-2018, 10:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-13-2018, 10:20 PM by dicappatore.)
(06-13-2018, 09:02 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:OMG. I used to read DC comics going back to the 60's and I don't recall any of them back-stabbing any of their friends, ON PURPOSE, before they became super heroes. Just because she came back as Eve, Evette, FrankenEve or what ever other frekin name you can come up with. She is no hero.What about Mystique. How about Malcolm Merlyn he turned his own daughter into a killer by having her kill her best friend. The other thing I never once used super hero. I called them super action characters. The reason these characters created are neither viallian or hero. The black canary is an example. The same with cat women. Comics have gone beyond the good versus evil. Like TV shows they play in the grey area. It is why characters go from one team to another and then back again. The same as with the characters on Grimm.
Quote:If the others so mentioned characters did kill, it was not for the same reasons Juliette did.Lets examine that. Juliette killed in wesenrein. Nick sent her after the members with a gun. She blow the guys head up because he was going to kill her. There was the manticore, again he was going to kill her. The only other death was Kelly, in which Juliette was involved. Since this is the only non self defense death. Lets compare Nicks actions with his non self defense death. Kenneth was in custody. Nick had him brought to an empty warehouse where he executed a prisoner that was in custody. Juliette provided access so others could kill. Both of their actions where driven by revenge. If you want to argue that Kenneth beheaded his mother so it was justified that he get revenge. Then it would be justified fro Nick to get revenge against Adalind for sending the reapers that stressed his aunt causing her to dye. It would be justified for Adalind to get revenge against Nick because Kelly was involved with her moms death.
Quote: In S6, she even admitted of her transgressions.In season six Juliette addressed what she was going through in season 4. She talked about not understanding and being scared. She admitted she was sorry for how she acted and what she did. But no where is it acknowledged Juliette killed Kelly. After Juliette became Eve her kills where the factory to save the group. The two in the truck so Rosalie and Monroe could get away. The guy that was watching Hank. Yes Eve assassinated the BC leader, but Nick killed his two body guards instead of taking out his badge gun and saying you are under arrest.
Quote:Why do you think they had to reboot her again in S6If you watched the other shows that where creating their female super action characters. The also rebooted their characters. What I saw was in all the shows that had developed female super action characters, these characters where taking focus from the main characters. The following season all the shows either removed or downgraded all of them.
Quote:1) She walked out of his life. She moved on by having relationships with others.The scene with Juliette in Nick arms after being shot disproves lack of concern. His emotional reaction shows that even though she had just tried to kill him, he stilled cared for her.
2) She destroyed his un-replaceable family legacy. In case you forgot, most of the stuff in the trailer.
3)She used an email and a phone call to betray and entrap His mother to be killed/decapitated.
The lack of a body and her death being connected to the wesen world, would be the reason for Nick not to act upon her death.
I am glad you posted this
Quote:This is the BIG KICKER. If you can't see the differences of what Juliette did to Nick & Co., his mom and their neighbors to what Nick did in retaliation to Kenneth and the Royals? What can I say. Obviously we follow different morals.This is a perfect example of your seeing things through a biased lens. Lets talk about what Juliette did to what Nick did. Sure you want to point a narrative but lets look at the actual actions since it is about what they did. Juliette made the deaths possible vs Nick did the actual killing. So it is not about what they did. it is about who died. Lets examine that. You have Kenneth the Royals enforcer vs Kelly the killer of wesen. People continuously want sympathy for Kelly's death because she was Nicks mom. Yet they forget Kelly and Mari where deadly Grimms. Can you really say that Kelly is any better then Kenneth. You do remember the episode where they explained how Kelly and Mari's dad trained them. We have seen wesen comment on the reputations of the kessler sisters. So we know Kelly is as deadly and as vicious as Kenneth. But Kelly being Nick mom, anyone who kills her must be a monster, even if they could have been the one dead if Kelly had got to them first. It's your bias of liking Nick and hating Juliette that allows you to only see Kelly as an innocent victim no difference then the neighbors. It is your bias that allows you to see Juliette's deception as superior to that of Kelly ability to detect danger. It's your bias that allows you to see deception worse then shoving a knife into someones neck.
Think about this. No where is it acknowledged that Juliette is considered their enemy. It was acknowledged that they where afraid of her. Add to this they spent the next two season having her being invaluable to the group. Kind of kills any argument you could make that the intent is Julilette/Eve was to be perceived as an evil enemy. I know you are going to site the part about Nick saying to kill her. But I am sure you are not going to consider the context of when it was said and how it setup the deception for the end of the season. I am also sure you are not going to consider Trubel, not only saying she was not trying to kill her, but also saying she still owes Juliette.
Examine this! AGAIN, you keep comparing what Juliette did to others because she was either defending herself or protecting Nick to getting Kelly killed as biased lenses? You still can't come to terms with why did Juliette get Kelly's blood on her hands.
Did Kelly come back to Portland to threatened Juliette? How was Juliette protecting herself by helping getting Kelly killed. Are you actually trying to compare what the manticore was trying to kill Juliette to what Kelly was doing to her? Dis I miss the part where Kelly comes back to Portland to kill Juliette?
What does Kelly's action for her whole life have anything to do with Juliette? If Nick did go after Adalind for trying to kill his aunt would be justified. WHAT DID KELLY DO TO JULIETTE TO BE DESERVING OF HER BETRAYAL? WHEN DID KELLY ACT THREATENING TO JULIETTE? Since you are comparing them? Are you flocking for real? You aren't even comparing oranges and apples. Your unbiased yet completely blindfolded eyes are comparing oranges and giraffes.
See if you can get my "writers intent" as follows: You need to go take a long walk on a short pier. In NYC that saying has nothing to do with getting wet. It has a lot to do with sticking a part of you in where the sun don't shine.
Thanks, but no thanks. You are a lost cause. Keep watching your "boob tube". Its what boobs do. I prefer to be talking to the wall. ROFLMAO
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