12-30-2017, 02:41 AM
(12-30-2017, 12:45 AM)izzy Wrote:(12-29-2017, 11:28 PM)rpmaluki Wrote: Wesen would be children of God since He created everything in the heavens and the earth so they would be subject to God.
As for redemption, there's two types of redemptions in the Bible, old testament where first borns belonged to God and he instigated a law that they could redeem their first born children by offering an animal sacrifice instead (the animal had to be blemish free in order to be accepted) and the second is similar. We are born in sin as descendants of the first Adam and in order to be redeemed, which is to be bought back from our sinful nature a sacrifice was needed Jesus Christ was that sacrifice. According to the Bible He's the Son of God, not a direct descendant of Adam, as in the seed of Adam. Genesis refers to Jesus as the seed of woman. So He's not born with the sin nature like the rest of us and is thus blemish free. He died for all but it's for the individual to accept the free gift of redemption that redeems them from their sinful ways as listed.
We are all sinners but unless a man or woman accept that Jesus is the Saviour/Redeemer, they essentially choose to hold on to the born nature and dying in their sin (spirit leaving body), they then face the "second death" which scholars believe is the eternal separation from God as seen in the story of Lazarus and the rich man. Our acceptance is essentially an exchange for Jesus' sinless for our own sinful nature to resemble again the Genesis 1:27 image of God but free from the sin that led to man's downfall as seen through Adam and Eve. They made their choice and "died" so we can make a difference choice and "live". It's all about the choices we make.
First a caveat, I am well versed in various forms of bibles and in particular the Dead Sea Scrolls....but it is from a historical/translation perspective not an actual religious or religious interpretive perspective. Which is to say I am ignorant of religious context. So as fascinating as I find this topic, I am more along for the ride. Clearly NewGuy, irukandji, and rpmaluki are my superiors in this regard.
That being said, I do have question, one asked in earnest.
In this:
Wesen would be children of God since He created everything in the heavens and the earth so they would be subject to God.
What do you mean by subject to God?
I meant being under God's authority as their cretaor. Like in real life, it's would be up to them whether or not to submit willingly to God or not.