06-02-2018, 01:42 AM
(This post was last modified: 06-02-2018, 05:45 AM by Henry of green.)
(06-01-2018, 09:25 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Adalind, told Viktor kelly was alive after a week of torture, so what she owed kelly nothing, Adalind also tried to kidnapp Julitte for information with orders from Viktor but she had zero idea kelly was being lured to town.Adalind was punished for running off. Not for what she might know. It was not until Adalind started telling about how she excaped that the two of them figured out it was Kelly Nick mom that was the lady is both events. So your statement "Adalind, told Viktor kelly was alive after a week of torture, so what she owed kelly nothing," is just not true.
Quote:Adalind also tried to kidnapp Julitte for information with orders from Viktor but she had zero idea kelly was being lured to town.To kidnap Juliette was Adalind idea of her version of back channel diplomacy. Viktor and Adalind worked out in Vienna it was Kelly they where looking for to get Diana. With this information exactly how would that not include Adalind realizing getting Diana would require Kelly to bring her to town.
Quote:Also Juluette didn't just provide information and phone kelly, she actually tricked kelly into coming to town and helped set up her ambush even providing Kenneth with tips, then told kelly the house was safe and led kelly directly to her death whether knownly or not she’s the sole reason kelly entered the house of death.The only thing Juliette said was who where the neighbors and what was their schedule. She sent one email warning Nick was in trouble. She also answered the phone and said the house is clear. You want to make these three things add up to Juliette knowing it was a forgone conclusion Kelly would die. I have heard the reason of what did she think they where going to do. What did she think they where going to do with the guns. My answer Chavez using the exact same number of men dressed exactly the same caring the exact same weapon as Kenneths men. They captured their target and subdued the Grimm and no one died. The writers showed Kelly did not need to die for Keenth to get Diana. So how would Juliette know Kenneth was going to use the approach he did and not the approach that chavez used. Remember it is Adalind that has seen or heard of Kenneth's acts of violence not Juliette. We never saw him showing that side to Juliette like he did to Adalind.
Quote:Also you keep repeating on every post about how wesen dont view killing like humans do, yet the majority of the big long arc villains on the show were ethier humans or half humans, Eric, Sean, viktor, the king, Kenneth and Grimms of the past were known to go into villages and destroy every wesen innocent of not in the past, nearly everyone on the show was murderous. Yet You seem to want to put humans on a pedestal, as more morale than wesen yet I could name you a whole list of non murderous wesen yet I couldn’t do the same for the human and half human Royals.Using the Royals to try and disprove my statement about humans, ignores the Roylas are a violent gang. You are right there are a lot of non murderous wesen just like there are a lot of animals that do not kill. They are called herbivores. That does not change the show has made the point to show each wesen has the natural instincts of the animal they represent. That is why Blutbods like wolves hunt. and eisbiber like beavers build. yet you keep wanting to judge there nature as that of a human and not of the animal they represent.
Quote:As for your above statement any one can do what you’ve stated above for example, actually go back a little further and Kelly, Nick, Juliette and the gang don’t help kidnapp a child Adalind doesn’t end up tortured in victors dungeon and doesn’t reveal Kelly’s alive. But all this doesn’t change fact it was Juliette who minuplated Kelly away from safety and towards her death.Your analogy has a flaw. lets say Nick and the group did not kidnap Diana. Say they turned over Diana and Adalind. Viktor put Adalind in jail because she left. Even if he got Diana why wouldn't he still through her in jail for leaving.
Quote:Also if you can question whether Diana was telling the truth in 6x07 because she’s a wesen, they all have a different morale code according to you, then why can’t we question whether Juliette was telling the truth when she told Nick I didn’t know that would happen to Kelly in 4x22, is Juliette not a wesen after all.The difference between the two is, in 4x22 most of that dialog was actually narrative. It was the writers closing some the the ambiguous ideas they had created. It was the final episode. The conversation between Diana and Eve was dialog to establish the dynamics between the Diana and the Eve character. It also was used to tie this meeting with the prior meeting. Letting us know Diana knows exactly who Eve is.
Syscrash, actually I never stated it was the torture that forced Adalind to reveal kelly was alive I just stated Adalind had days of torture and she owed kelly nothing which she didn't in my opinion.
Also you clearly missed episodes of the show viktor didnt torture Adalind to punish her, he tortured her to break her and secure her loyalty.
Also your reading of the Eve Diana scene is just utter biased garbage, how exactly was it to establish a dynamic between the two when they had many previous scenes and before 6x07. You simply believe one and not the other beacuse you have a clear agenda not beacuse your trying to think what the writers meant by the scene, your motive is as clear as day.
Also your claim about wesen and the animals they represent is partly true however they are also partly humman they are not animals and many of them control thier instincts and life fairly normal lives.
Also your statment doesn’t apply to Hexenbiests considering they are not part animal they are fully human they’re difference is they are also part human corpse with magical powers and it’s even hinted they may not be wesen at all.
Also other than the super hexenbiests and Zauberbiests who are super murderous regular Hexenbiests aren’t that murderous, Adalind has only killed two people on the show both in self defense and Elizabeth,Henritta, Frau Pech have killed zero people. Hank and Wu on the other hand have both killed over 10 poeple on the show and they are human.
Once agian your are putting words in my mouth, I never stated Juliette knew exactly 100 percent kelly would be killed i stated its doesnt matter ethier way she is still complicit in her murder whether knowingly or not it doesnt matter. Juliette and the Royals are the sole reason kelly is in her grave Juliettes phone call is the only reason kelly walked willingly to her death.
Juliette didn't care if kelly lived or died that is fact presented on the show, she set up stairs and listend to the murder and before you claim some crap about her not being able to help as she was out numberd by the verat, its you who keeps claiming about how powerful she is and how she can kill anyone even Adalind in a full precinct with armed cops if she wished, yet somehow she can’t help in even the slighest way against human Kenneth and his verat henchmen.
Juliette/Eve is far more Murderous person than Diana and she is also just as manipulative, so once agian I ask why should she be belived in 4x22 and Diana shouldnt be 6x07 and please dont give me more nonsense about you reading the writers thougths and knowing what was suposse to be ambiguous and what wasn't.