06-01-2018, 01:58 PM
(This post was last modified: 06-01-2018, 04:22 PM by Henry of green.)
(06-01-2018, 12:38 PM)syscrash Wrote:Quote:Hank: Why would she come here at all? You didn't contact her.You do realize the Hanks statement is dialog not narrative. The difference dialog establishes perspective, narrative establishes intent. dialog supports a characters view. Narrative supports the facts of the story. Dialog is not fact, a narrative is. We know it is dialog because it starts with I think.
Nick: Somebody did, and the only way could have been from my computer.
Hank: So who had access?
Nick: Only me... and Juliette.
Hank: Kelly would have trusted her.
Nick: With her life.
Hank: I think maybe she did, Nick.
Hank says that Momma Kelly trusted Juliette with her life. Juliette betrayed that trust resulting in her death and decapitation. That is fact, not opinion and I agree with Hank and Nick.
Yet you want to argue as if Hanks statement was narrative. You do the same thing when the writers use dialog, where the narrative is the intent and not the dialog itself. Diana's dialog with Eve about her other mommy. You argue to the death that such dialog proves your point. But fail to understand when other try and explain it is the intent being made that is important. I even see where other try an point out to you why if viewed from the intent it fits with the other actions we have seen from the character. Yet the dialog taken literally does not. Example taking Hanks statement literally "Hank: I think maybe she did, Nick." would mean we would have to believe a trained operative put their trust in information that they had no idea if it was compromised or not. Your entire argument relies on your belief that some familial relationship overrides practical knowledge. Another example take the Diana dialog. Again for it to make sense for Diana to be talking about Kelly when she said where is my mommy, or to think Diana was being literal when she said she does not know where her other mommy is. Remember she ended that sentence with "Do You?". For your position on both these things to make sense. Would require that Diana does not know what happened at Nicks. That means the character in all other situation, even before she was born, is very aware what is going on. Yet this situation and this situation only, all of a sudden she is a naive child that has no idea what is going on. It makes more sense Diana expected Adalind to be coming for her, especially since that is what the plan was until it changed at the last minute. It also makes more since that Diana was being sarcastic, the same as she has done in other situations. We have never seen Diana show empathy, so why would her conversation with Eve be one of sympathy and not be a sarcastic dig. You have posted the other mommy dialog else where. Read it again from the perspective that Diana know exactly what happened to Kelly. Now doesn't that fit better, with the Diana that suffocated her fathers misters, and had her father get revenge against the guy that hurt her mother.
Syscrash, I seriously can’t take anything you say seriously anymore first of all a few months ago you try and blame Adalind for being involed in kellys death. now you seem to implying Diana was complicit in setting up Kelly's death, you really will blame anyone and everyone on kellys death but Juliette the woman that actually led kelly to her death.
I saw absolutely nothing in the Diania and Eve scene to indicate she was minipulating Eve, To me the writers seemed to be using the scene to remind fans of Eve/ Juliettes guilt and to throw out a slight mention to Diana and Kelly's reltionship. I didn't get the sligthest hint Diana was being sarcastic at all maybe we were watching different shows as usual.
Also as for your claims Diana has showed zero empathy on the show, Diana showed plenty of empathy towards Nick and her mothers feelings for him in the last few episodes of the show, she held Adalinds hand when she was crying when Nick entered the Mirror in 6x11, then Adalind had to talk her into going to bed when she wanted to stay up all nigth and help Nick get through the Mirror. Diana then works her absolute hardest to get Nick back home then proudly proclaims, I got Nick back for you Mommy. So yes she didn’t show much empathy or sympathy for her fathers lover that’s true but to say she showed no empathy or sympathy on the show is clearly wrong as she showed both for Kelly’s son a man her mother loved.
your claim that, all of a sudden she is a naive child that has no idea what is going on, is just utter nonsense, there were plenty of times when Diana didn’t know what was going on she didn’t know that Boneparte was down stairs chocking her mommy to near death in 5x22, it wasn’t until Adalind revealed her neck she discovered the truth and even then she suspected Renard not Boneparte until mommy told her it was daddy’s friend.
Diana also cleary didn’t know everything that was going on when she was a baby ethier as she allowed Kelly to kidnapp her. She also didn’t know her mother and Nick were conspiring against her father in 6x02 and 6x03, it wasn’t until Nick actually stood right in front of her disguised as Renard and trying to hug her did she discover the truth. Nick also visited her fathers mansion in 6x01 and shoved his tongue down her mothers throat in a passionate embrace, Diana was sleeping right across in the other room and knew nothing whatsoever, so much for Diania knowing all other things that went on.