05-31-2018, 08:50 PM
(05-30-2018, 02:41 PM)Robyn Wrote:(05-30-2018, 04:23 AM)irukandji Wrote: No, you were telling me that if Diana hadn't had her mother's happiness in mind, she never would have told Adalind she brought Nick back *for her*. I can agree she may have had her mother's happiness in mind, but that didn't occur until the end of the series. Whether or not that one event constitutes a progression is a debatable point.Diana helping Nick back through the mirror was at the end of the series, it occurred either at the end of episode 12 or the beginning of episode 13. S6 only had 13 episodes. I didn’t say Diana would never have helped Nick if not for her bond with Adalind. I said Diana excitedly exclaimed to Adalind that she got Nick back for her. Why would Diana excitedly exclaim to her mother that she got Nick back for her if she didn’t think she’d done something that made her mother happy? If Diana opened the mirror simply because she could, wouldn’t she have just opened it so Nick and Juliette could come through?
For instance, if Diana had progressed in behavior in latter S5 and S6, then why was Monroe so hesitant to be around her?
Diana didn’t do anything around Monroe other than a few ‘magic tricks’ and she knew Rosalee was having more than one baby. IIRC, Monroe was unaware of Diana killing anyone. Monroe’s problem with Diana is his problem, not hers. Monroe was equally uncomfortable around Eve in the beginning.
(05-28-2018, 08:55 PM)irukandji Wrote: Why vow to "do right by her children" then?I don’t even know what that means. Adalind’s conversation with her mother about her children has nothing to do with her having witnessed Diana kill while in utero. That Adalind shouldn’t be overly shocked that Diana killed Rachael doesn’t equate to her not caring or not being upset that her daughter killed to protect her ‘happy family’.
(05-28-2018, 08:55 PM)irukandji Wrote: You're splitting hairs, Robyn. Diana knew the loss of Rachel would impact her father, but she didn't care. It wasn't about him. It wasn't about Adalind. It was about her.There’s no hair to split in my post. The show didn’t express Diana’s thoughts about Renard’s feelings for Rachael one way or the other. Any conclusion drawn would be speculation, which is all I did when saying I was inclined to believe Diana would probably expect Renard to get over it.
It was about Diana in that she would do anything to keep her parents together and be a family. What point are you trying to make?
A powerful Hexenbiest child, who had zero experience with even a modicum of normal family life, selfishly, immaturely, and recklessly used her powers to eliminate a woman she believed would take her father from the family. Diana’s thought process wasn’t that different than most children’s. The only difference was that Diana had the means to eliminate the other woman violently and permanently, and a human child could only act out with tantrums, bedwetting, and such.
(05-28-2018, 08:55 PM)irukandji Wrote: And we also had Diana doing the ominous when she asked Adalind if "daddy" was the one who put the marks on "mommy's" neck. I don't think it's so apparent that Diana loved her parents above all else. They simply got a break because they were her parents. Neither one was a shining example of a parent who'd do anything for their child.It was never expressed that Diana thought she needed to manipulate her parents into staying with her. Her manipulation was aimed directly at bringing them together and keeping them together. Once Diana accepted she couldn’t force them to want each other or live together, she stopped.
You said earlier that Adalind hated Renard. Well what would Diana have done had Adalind went after him and stabbed him with a kitchen knife? While I don't think Renard had the same kind of reaction toward Adalind, it's obvious he viewed her with cynicism and sarcasm so he certainly had no liking for her. What if Renard had really attempted to strangle her?
We know the answer. Diana's already shown that she can hurt her parents. She wouldn't hesitate to hurt them worse because that's the kind of person she is. She wanted her parents together because she wanted a family that she could manipulate. Neither parent was around for some of her life and she was going to make a point of keeping them around.
I still don't think she ever put either parent's happiness as a priority in her life. But I do think she came to like Nick because because even above her own parents, he was a constant in her life. That was of his own free will. She didn't have to manipulate him to get him to stay with her.
I don’t know where you get the impression that Diana is ominous and will forever hurt her parents whenever she doesn’t get her way. Juliette displayed the same type of overbearing and reckless behavior because she couldn’t or wouldn’t control her powers and her impulses. I wouldn’t expect the child, Diana to behave more maturely than the adult, Juliette.
OK, Robyn, you need to take a deep deep breath, Inhale with your nose and exhale with your mouth. Repeat that 3 times. That should calm you down and lower your blood pressure. lol
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