05-29-2018, 03:29 PM
(05-29-2018, 01:24 PM)Robyn Wrote:Robyn,(05-29-2018, 09:17 AM)New Guy Wrote: So Robyn, given the above set of facts, just exactly what opinions about Momma Kelly are expressed by Diana?
If Diana honestly did not know where Kelly was then who had the flashback? Did FrankenEve answer Diana's questions honestly? What makes Diana's tummy hurt? What does Diana think might make FrankenEve's tummy hurt?
The discussion began with our opposing opinions of Adalind's admiration for Kelly. And still is about that one specific point of view.
You've posted statements by Hank about Kelly trusting Juliette and by Diana referring to Kelly as her other mommy. Neither establish Adalind's personal admiration for Kelly. Why do you only post statements by characters other than Adalind?
Unless you post an action or statement by Adalind establishing her admiration of Kelly, or at the very least giving me reason to reconsider my point of view, we should end this discussion.
I'm not going to respond if you post about anyone's interaction with or statement about Kelly other Adalind's. She's the only character we're discussing.
You started this post [Diana and the "Other Mommy"] and the transcript I quoted in post #34 is the (only?) place where Diana refers to Kelly as her "Other Mommy." As such the questions I posed to you are precisely on point. Are you refusing to answer to avoid the truth? Some of the other members of the Forum may also read your answers.
You asked about "an action or statement by Adalind establishing her admiration of Kelly, or at the very least giving me reason to reconsider my point of view." Although your handling of this "discussion" does not warrant a reply, for the sake of the Forum and in the interest of cordiality I present the transcript of Adalind's first encounter with Kelly (3.17, "Synchronicity"):
Quote:Scene: Adalind and Meisner arrive near the meeting location in Rafz, Switzerland.Adalind does speak accolades about Kelly, however Meisner is also engaged in the scene and he does make several comments. If Adalind disagrees, she is silent. Adalind has developed respect and some attraction to him, so she likely would agree. Meisner had never met Kelly, but his words display respect and gratitude. Meisner's final comment is made to Renard, but it is a succinct statement about his assurance that Adalind and her baby are "in good hands."
Adalind: This is it?
Meisner: Close enough. Our contact will be meeting us.
Adalind: Then what?
Meisner: Then they'll get you and your child to safety.
Adalind: Is that even possible?
Meisner: The Resistance knows how important both of you are. Whoever they picked will be the best. Stay here. I'll return once I know it's safe.
Adalind: What if it isn't?
Meisner: I won't leave until I know it is.
Adalind: Please be careful.
[Meisner gets out of the car and goes into the forest]
Verrat Agent 1: [Watching Meisner from a distance through binoculars, he speaks in German] Have a visual. One male moving towards your position. Intercept.
[Two other Verrat agents hide behind a tree and in the bushes as Meisner approaches, but they suddenly lose sight of him. One of the agents approaches the area where they last saw Meisner, and Meisner jumps down from a tree and they start fighting. The other agents come up to help. Back at the car, Adalind notices an airplane flying low, and her door suddenly opens as two Verrat agents, including the one who spotted Meisner, hold her at gunpoint. Back in the forest, Meisner continues to fight the Verrat agents and easily defeats them. He then sees the low-flying airplane as well and rushes back to the car, but, upon arrival, he notices Adalind's door open and Adalind nowhere to be found, so he starts searching. Nearby, Adalind is brought back to the Verrat's van by the two agents]
Verrat Agent 2: [She opens the door. In German] Get in. Lets go— [She notices the driver and passenger are dead]
[Suddenly, the other Verrat agent has blood coming out of his mouth and he falls dead to the ground. The other agent pulls out a gun and is about to shoot Adalind, when the agent is stabbed from behind, causing the gun to go off in the air. The hooded assailant takes out the knife from the agent's back and goes around the van]
Meisner: [Running up] Adalind! [He notices the bodies] You did this?
[Adalind shakes her head]
Kelly: [Walking from around the van, removing her hood] I did. I'll take it from here.
[Kelly, Adalind, and Meisner walk to where the plane landed]
Kelly: Whoever planned this did a lousy job. The Verrat were here three hours ago.
Meisner: When did you get here?
Kelly: Fortunately before they did.
Adalind: Where are you taking me?
Kelly: We're gonna get in that plane. That's all you need to know for now.
Adalind: I want to know where I'm going!
Kelly: The Verrat know you're here, so there's gonna be more of them here soon. You want to stay? That's up to you. I'm leaving. [She walks ahead]
Adalind: I don't even know who she is.
Meisner: She just saved our lives. I think we can trust her.
[They arrive at the plane, the door is opened, and Kelly goes inside]
Kelly: We need to leave!
Pilot: Everything all right?
Kelly: No, the Verrat were here.
Pilot: Now?
Kelly: I said "were." Get us off the ground.
[The scene shifts outside the plane]
Meisner: Good luck.
Adalind: If it hadn't been for you, I'd have been dead a long time ago.
Kelly: Come on, let's go.
[Adalind kisses Meisner on the cheek and gets in the plane. The door of the plane is closed and Meisner walks away]
Kelly: Sit down. Get buckled in. Hold on to the baby. It's gonna be rough. Is it a girl?
Adalind: Yes.
[Kelly buckles in as the plane takes off. Meisner watches and then calls Renard]
Renard: Is it done?
Meisner: The plane just took off, but the Verrat were waiting for us. Fortunately, our contact was here first.
Renard: Anyone hurt?
Meisner: Six dead, all of them Verrat.
Renard: Who was the contact?
Meisner: I have no idea, but I'm glad she was on our side.
Renard: She?
Meisner: After seeing what she did to the Verrat, Adalind and the child are definitely in good hands.
The next scene shows some interaction of Kelly and Adalind. Note how Kelly gets Adalind to focus on caring for Diana:
Quote:Scene: Kelly stands up to look for supplies.In the following scene, Kelly and Adalind begin to bond as they care for Diana:
Kelly: There should be supplies for us. [She opens a large box] Yeah. Food, water, a few thousand Brazilian real. You'll be happy to see these. [She shows Adalind diapers and hands her one]
Adalind: Thank God. You're American. Are you working with the Resistance?
Kelly: The less we know about each other, the better. Keep your mind on your baby, and we'll do just fine.
Adalind: Look, I don't know who you are, and I have no idea if you know who I am, but I just delivered my baby in the middle of the woods, and we've been running for our lives ever since. I'm a little tired, I'm a little hungry, I'm very sore, and I've seen a lot of people killed, so I don't think it's too much to ask for a little conversation.
Kelly: I think you should probably change her diaper. [She goes to the cockpit] Where are we?
Pilot: At the moment, right about the middle of France.
Kelly: And where in Brazil are you taking us?
Pilot: I'm not supposed to tell you that.
Kelly: There are six dead Verrat back in that field who knew you were coming. Wherever you're taking us is probably no longer a secret. I suggest we don't find out.
Pilot: So much for São Paulo. I'm afraid there's no plan "B." I'll have to radio in.
Kelly: No, no. As long as we're on this plane, you don't talk to anybody but me. I don't trust anybody I'm not close enough to kill.
Pilot: All right. But we'll need to make a decision soon. In 30 minutes, we'll be off the continent.
Kelly: How far can we go in this thing?
Pilot: We have four extra tanks, so we have a long range. But if you have someplace in mind, now's the time to share it.
Quote:Scene: Kelly confirms the new location for the plane to go.Kelly does have momma skills and Adalind takes note.
Pilot: You're sure this is what you want to do? Once we're over that water, there's no turning back.
Kelly: Do it. [She goes back to Adalind and the baby]
[The baby cries]
Adalind: It's okay, shh.
Kelly: The altitude's building pressure in her ears. If you rub just below them, she'll feel better.
Adalind: Uh, where?
Kelly: Just here. [She shows Adalind where to rub on herself]
Adalind: Okay. Okay. Okay.
Kelly: Not too hard.
[The baby stops crying]
Adalind: That worked.
Kelly: Not easy figuring out how to be a mother.
Adalind: Do you have children?
Kelly: My sister did.
I find it odd how Kelly replies to "Do you have children?"
In the next scene, Adalind at least thanks Kelly for saving her life. Was Meisner correct that the Resistance "picked the best?"
You know my opinion.
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