11-05-2013, 10:49 PM
(11-04-2013, 05:03 PM)HellJacket Wrote: You have not connected Nick's actions in the bar (which happened many miles away from that riot) with the "zombie farm." Until you do, that is all irrelevant. Now, it's possible you could do that, but the only witness you have is the Baron and Nick's friends. The Baron is dead. In regard to Nick's friends, well, I'd love to be the prosecutor that got to cross-examine them. Most of what they would say in Nick's defense would be inadmissable.
Inadmissible why? All you need to do is establish that Nick was there at the 'zombie farm', and then made his way from there to the bar, once he was himself 'zombified'. That's actually what happened, so the timeline would work, and if all that Hank and Wu and Renard had to do was testify that "yes he was there at the storage yard on that night", how are you going to break that down in cross?
(11-04-2013, 05:03 PM)HellJacket Wrote: I doubt Rosalie has a relevant scientific degree or any such experience. What she has is a bunch of wessen books and stuff her parents told her. Inadmissable hearsay. She's an easy witness to eliminate. And if you don't have her, what evidence of the drug is left? The Baron is dead. You pretty much need to track down another Cracher-Mortel.
All you have is a bunch of people who rioted. If a toxicology screen (that was even able to identify the drug) was not administered to any of them after the riot, you have no evidence connecting their condition with Nick.
These were not angry anarchists that got turned back with water cannon. They were people with no connection to each other, most likely with no history of violence or antisocial behavior, who would all testify that they have no memory of how they got there or what they did. And you have the testimony of all the policemen there, who saw them attacking them like raving animals (just like Nick did), falling off a two story stack of shipping containers and then just getting right back up.
As for Rosalie, you cant argue with results - she worked with the PPD and successfully cured all the zombies. Since its a pufferfish toxin, it makes sense that an apothecary (someone with expertise in natural pharmacology) would be versed in its effects. I think the prosecution would be hard-pressed to find any other expert witness with credibility in zombie biochemistry to refute her testimony
(11-04-2013, 05:03 PM)HellJacket Wrote: Based on the above, I don't believe you are a lawyer.
No, I'm a scientist... But that's why we have juries of our peers, and not just juries of lawyers...
(11-04-2013, 05:03 PM)HellJacket Wrote: The problem is, as I show above, there is really no evidence that Nick could put forward about the zombie drug given how the wessen world is outside the realm of science.
If I'm on the jury, I convict Nick.
Not really, see below...
And that doesn't seem like you have much faith in the justice system, since Nick was innocent from the "omniscient viewer" point of view
Its not like there aren't real world parallels here. Things like PCP or, famously, bath salts can make people behave like this. If someone dosed me with bath salts and I tried to eat someone's face off, you're saying I'm guilty of assault?
(11-04-2013, 08:10 PM)Lou Wrote: I think they have some of the drug "in evidence". Didn't the medical examiner already identify it as some various forms of natural stuff. (that would be the in for Rosalee to be involved and being able to figure out the antidote. but still this all is best kept out of the harsh light in a court room.
Yeah it was, funny enough, a variation on pufferfish toxins. Really, except for Hexenbiester and the odd case like the Coins, there's been no "magic" on the show, its all just a play on biochemistry. Its not mind control, its pheromones. Even the fire-breathing dragon did so using special glands.