(10-14-2015, 06:52 PM)eric Wrote: Magic is real. It is not slight of hand, not smoke and mirrors, not something that can be explained by science. When people told the original Grimm/fairy tales, they knew witches were real and had real power outside of the natural world, that things existed which could only be explained by magic. Elizabeth bringing her son back from the dead using a two headed snake. Being able to change from a wolf/fox/bird/another human using spells and potions. When a child believes in Santa Claus he believes in magic, flying around the world in one night with presents for all good children. I know that I have written how Wessen could have evolved by a genetic mistake but where is the magic in that? Without magic Grimm is no longer the fantasy show that I love and hope to see on the air for another 5 years. It may get dark, but read some of the original Grimm tales, not the Disney versions.
Since I don't believe in magic that must be why I can't see magic. But I agree that if I did believe, I would see it.
I like watching Grimm. But when I watch it I translate everything from a magical cause to a real world explanation. I think how could this happen and be consistent with physics of the universe? I don't do this with Once Upon a Time because I think the premise of that show is that magic is real in Storybrook.
Grimm is more subtle. For instance. In the season 5 sneak peek Nick tells Hank that Chavez's people took Kelly's head and Juliette's body. Hank asks why. Nick says to get rid of evidence.
Season 5 sneak peek
But in the real world a cop would know you can't get rid of forensic evidence easily. A severed head will bleed. Blood will soak through cardboard, will stain wooden floors and carpeting.
So I know Nick is talking nonsense, but which kind, is the question? Is he talking nonsense that there is no forensic evidence or is he talking nonsense when he says Juliette and Kelly's head were there in the first place?
You see, that's another explanation for why there is no blood, no evidence. Juliette and Kelly are figments of Nick's imagination.
Most fantasy shows say that magic is real and their stories are consistent with that. Does Grimm, though?
Maybe we should get New Guy here and do a search of wiki. In all of Grimm's press releases and descriptions of the show does it say that it is a show where magic is real? I remember it saying that the talking animals from Grimm's fairy tales were based on real, non magical people. It implied Grimm was not magical but just the opposite at the beginning.
Nick also believes in ghosts now. In Llorona, Hank says to Nick, "I thought we (meaning Grimms) didn't believe in ghosts." Nick says "We didn't."
So what is going on here? Have the law of physics changed in the Grimm world or is there another explanation? Is it Nick we shouldn't believe? Just because Nick believes something, and we are rooting for him, does that mean it is true in this world? Can he be a hero who is wrong?
Can Nick stray from sanity? What does Grimm tell us? I bet you we find out that it is silent on this question. The producers aren't bringing the question to the forefront because later, much, much later we are going to see that what Nick "sees" isn't what exists outside of his imagination.
Like Perception, we are seeing what Nick believes, not what is real. But I still love Nick and love the ride I'm on.