(01-04-2018, 07:19 AM)Robyn Wrote: Early on I considered Nick, as well as Hank & Wu, bad cops because I saw Nick as a cop who became a Grimm and was loyal to being a Grimm first. But later I realized the show presented Nick as a Grimm who happen to be a cop. Nick became a Grimm within minutes of being introduced as a human modern day detective. We didn’t see Nick without the Grimm influence other than a brief glimpse of him buying an engagement ring and excited about proposing. After that, the show thrust Nick completely into the Grimm/Wesen world.

The reality is that the show was about Nick, the Grimm not Nick, the detective who was a Grimm during his off time. Beginning with the first episode, a Wesen was the culprit in every case Nick & Hank had. Even before Hank new about the Grimm/Wesen world, they were presented as a Grimm and his partner rather that two detectives investigating cases.

So while I would have preferred the show not make Nick a detective when it had no intentions of exploring the police side of his life & experiences, I understand that G & K were presenting their story of a Grimm who happen to be a detective in Portland. And that they didn’t want to bog down their storytelling by even having the human cops, Hank and Wu, struggle over the blurred lines between Grimm law and human law made the show look even more disrespectful to law enforcement. But I still don’t think they intended to be disrespectful. I just don’t think they gave much consideration to the human law side of the equation other than it providing a source of information in Nick’s Wesen cases.

Grimm was never about exploring the bigger picture, blurred lines, or the concept of right and wrong. It was a collection of cool action stories about a Grimm battling evil Wesen. Period. And when a storyline occasionally appeared to offer a deeper element, those references dissipated once the storyline didn’t need them.

(01-04-2018, 07:19 AM)Robyn Wrote: And that they didn’t want to bog down their storytelling by even having the human cops, Hank and Wu, struggle over the blurred lines between Grimm law and human law made the show look even more disrespectful to law enforcement. But I still don’t think they intended to be disrespectful. I just don’t think they gave much consideration to the human law side of the equation other than it providing a source of information in Nick’s Wesen cases.

(01-03-2018, 11:33 AM)New Guy Wrote:

(01-03-2018, 08:08 AM)eric Wrote:

(01-03-2018, 05:42 AM)irukandji Wrote: Actually, I can see where you'd be upset that other definitions of the word were found. I don't get why the dictionary that's most often quoted, Merriam-Webster, was not used, however.

This is the crux of the problem: there is more than one definition of the word corrupt. Some see corrupt cops as ones who extort or who use their position for personal gain. I have known several law enforcement and elected officials who were corrupt according to that use the word. Personally, I see Nick not so much as corrupt as being a rouge cop, going outside the accepted/legal limits to deal with criminals--Nick, Hank, Wu, Dirty Harry are rouges, Renard is corrupt, one who allowed or ordered murder in order to line his pockets or gain political power. There is more than one way to describe a person, the word you choose depends upon how you view their actions and their motives. Killing the reapers and burying their bodies to hide them, is that corrupt or rogue?

Hi Eric,
Clint Eastwood's best line ever!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ishbTwXf1g

I guess you should ask the restaurant patrons and the waitress if Harry was corrupt or rogue.
N G

(01-04-2018, 07:19 AM)Robyn Wrote: Early on I considered Nick, as well as Hank & Wu, bad cops because I saw Nick as a cop who became a Grimm and was loyal to being a Grimm first. But later I realized the show presented Nick as a Grimm who happen to be a cop. Nick became a Grimm within minutes of being introduced as a human modern day detective. We didn’t see Nick without the Grimm influence other than a brief glimpse of him buying an engagement ring and excited about proposing. After that, the show thrust Nick completely into the Grimm/Wesen world.

The reality is that the show was about Nick, the Grimm not Nick, the detective who was a Grimm during his off time. Beginning with the first episode, a Wesen was the culprit in every case Nick & Hank had. Even before Hank new about the Grimm/Wesen world, they were presented as a Grimm and his partner rather that two detectives investigating cases.

So while I would have preferred the show not make Nick a detective when it had no intentions of exploring the police side of his life & experiences, I understand that G & K were presenting their story of a Grimm who happen to be a detective in Portland. And that they didn’t want to bog down their storytelling by even having the human cops, Hank and Wu, struggle over the blurred lines between Grimm law and human law made the show look even more disrespectful to law enforcement. But I still don’t think they intended to be disrespectful. I just don’t think they gave much consideration to the human law side of the equation other than it providing a source of information in Nick’s Wesen cases.

Grimm was never about exploring the bigger picture, blurred lines, or the concept of right and wrong. It was a collection of cool action stories about a Grimm battling evil Wesen. Period. And when a storyline occasionally appeared to offer a deeper element, those references dissipated once the storyline didn’t need them.

(01-04-2018, 09:24 AM)irukandji Wrote: If you consider Nick and company a shade of dark gray in a black and evil world, I would to tend to agree. In other words, they do what they have to do, with no consequences to themselves or anyone else. For Nick, it's all the same to him if he kills or is killed. Dog eat dog so to speak. There really is no good or no evil. As eric stated, it's natural for grimms to kill wesen and that's what Nick is doing.

However, if Nick is considered a hero and thus, the good guy, then I most definitely disagree. In that instance G&K would have to consider the good, whether he's doing his grimm thing or being a law enforcement officer. I personally think they consider Nick a good guy and deliberately trashed the law enforcement angle by showing him as a corrupt cop.

(01-06-2018, 07:31 AM)Robyn Wrote: They may have. Many show creators and networks use TV & movie to promote their personal ideology. G &K and/or NBC could have and I just didn’t pick up on it.

I only know G & K for their work on Grimm and G’s work on Angel & Miracles, so don’t mean this disrespectfully, but I never got the impression G & K had anything to say beyond their narrow concept of the fictional Grimm/Wesen interrelationship that made it into aired episodes. Which is why I’ve responded before that Grimm is best viewed at face value because there aren’t any layers to peel back and reveal deeper meaning.