(08-30-2017, 11:39 PM)wesen Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:15 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: It's a TV and movie cliche for a man and a woman forced by circumstances to live, work or otherwise have to depend on each other to eventually fall in love no matter how much they dislike each other at first. In movies, their romance usually ends sometime before the sequel; on TV, if the ratings drop precipitously after they get together. Nickalind was pretty much inevitable the moment Nick brought Adalind and Kelly to the fome because he thought they were in enough danger to have to live in a secret base.

It might be cliche but if it works then I don't see why it should be a problem. My topic wasn't about the use of cliches or not, it was more to do with why the characters of Nick and Adalind worked 'clicked' together more than juliette and Nick did. Nadalind was more popular with the viewers than juliette and Nick, so it's no surprise that the writers chose to go with them as end game.

Quote:I'm not trying to be rude here, but I'm wondering why, whenever observations about Adalind are brought up, all of the sudden a hundred things about how terrible Juliette is suddenly pop into the discussion. I know what Juliette did, but I don't really want to discuss her. The thread is about Nick and Adalind. Juliette really has no bearing on them, in my opinion, of course

Quote:Im sure they thought she was attractive. And not to be crude, but I imagine these men also thought she was a good lay but would never be a good wife. That is not such an attractive feature about a woman

Quote:Nick lusted after her even when he was still with Juliette, he very much enjoyed his tryst with her both when she pretended to be juliette and when juliette looked like her.

And posters wonder why Juliette refused his engagement ring. What you wrote about Nick above says it all.

Quote:You're stating Nick was not Adalind's only option. What other options could she have chosen instead of going to Nick?

Quote:Maybe I'm missing something here, but when I see people in love, they generally take some real pride in themselves. They try to please the one they love. They're happy. I didn't see that with Adalind.

Quote: for Nick, I saw no improvement in him either. He didn't spruce himself up so Adalind would take notice of how good looking he is. He didn't surprise her with flowers or take her out to dinner just to show her how special she was to him.

Quote:Adalind got domestic and frumpy. Nick became even blander than he was before. But really, when you stop and think about it, there wasn't really anything Nick didn't already know about Adalind and vice versa. They were old news to one another. I think that's the way they approached this arrangement they had. They simply acknowledged they were living together, no one else was going to come along for either of them, so they may as well just go for staying together. Was it love? Maybe, but it had about as much of an emotional impact as changing a tire. It's really one of the strangest arrangements I've seen in a series.

(08-30-2017, 11:11 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:49 PM)dicappatore Wrote: I know this is a fantasy show and what we are trying to analyze is two characters created by a writing staff. But these writers are real people and what they write has to be part of their life experiences including the experiences of what they read in that life time. Hence a TV series based on someone else writings. So, even if these are fictional characters, some basis of reality has to be applied to them from the creators and from the viewers.

So, here is a thought. How about faith? How about faith being another reason Nick and Adalind clicked? Somewhere I read that Adalind was just a character created for the pilot, yet Faith, made her character more appealing to the writers and then the viewers.

I know, some posters hate it that Nick was the main man, top honcho, “The Grimm”, which the show is based on, and the Adalind character became the face of his arch enemy. Again, I blame, Faith for the progression that developed this character.

Part of the progression was for this character be the catalyst of the breakup of Nick & Juliette and she did try in more than once. The whole coma season was one and by removing the Grimm from Nick she ended up having his baby.

So, after all these trials and tribulations, they end up under one roof. Let’s put to rest, as some posters claim that they were both social outcasts and had no one else to turn to. He was still a detective, and she was still a lawyer, and both damm good looking. They were still a catch.

After Nick’s experience with Juliette, he didn’t have the desire to get involved with another woman, yet. Adalind experiences with the loss of her first child focused on being a real mom so as not to repeat the mistake she made with her first one. These two characters didn’t fall for each other overnight in one episode. It took a while for their relationship to flourish. The separation forced on them by BC just strengthen what they had.

Did anyone ever think, when they saw that pilot. These two would end up together? Baby Kelly was the catalyst that brought them under the same roof, but I believe, Faith in the writers made them click.

(08-30-2017, 10:52 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Generations of watching movies and TV shows and reading all sorts of trash romance materials has created a widespread belief that a man and woman thrown together by circumstance for any length of time will inevitably fall into bed together. I call it cliche, but I suppose you could call it faith.

Faith or do you mean fate?

(08-30-2017, 06:25 AM)wesen Wrote: Furthermore I thought there was a little bit of juliette still left in Eve in season 5 or else she wouldn't have done her best to put doubt in Nick's mind that adalind could be trusted once her hexenbiest powers returned. Eve went so far as to threaten adalind if she ever dared to hurt Nick, even though she claimed to be an entirely separate person from juliette. Why would eve have cared to go to that trouble if she truly didn't care about Nick any more? And though I have nothing against juliette/Eve and actually do like her, I didn't like the fact that she mentioned to Nick that she would do all she could to protect Kelly without once mentioning his mother, even though adalind would never have done anything to endanger her baby's life. Then we see evidence in season 6 once juliette's feelings returned, that she was still somewhat affected by Nick moving on to a new relationship. We see this when she hears the conversation between Nick and Adalind about how much they missed each other, her face does a strange like woge. Then we see another scene where Diana and eve/Juliette talk about Nick and how sometimes Juliette feels sad because she misses him as her bf. It wasnt juliette who had moved on from Nick, rather it was Nick who had moved on and chosen a life with Adalind. Yes, he felt responsible and guilty for turning juliette into a hexenbiest but he was no longer in love with her.

(08-31-2017, 12:17 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 11:39 PM)wesen Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:15 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: It's a TV and movie cliche for a man and a woman forced by circumstances to live, work or otherwise have to depend on each other to eventually fall in love no matter how much they dislike each other at first. In movies, their romance usually ends sometime before the sequel; on TV, if the ratings drop precipitously after they get together. Nickalind was pretty much inevitable the moment Nick brought Adalind and Kelly to the fome because he thought they were in enough danger to have to live in a secret base.

It might be cliche but if it works then I don't see why it should be a problem. My topic wasn't about the use of cliches or not, it was more to do with why the characters of Nick and Adalind worked 'clicked' together more than juliette and Nick did. Nadalind was more popular with the viewers than juliette and Nick, so it's no surprise that the writers chose to go with them as end game.

These days, most fictional work on film or tv is riddled with cliches or tropes, not even GoT was immune to this since they ran out of books to adapt. It wouldn't be that way if people didn't readily respond to that type of writing. There's nothing wrong with Nick and Adalind being written that way, at the very least there was some complexity in them getting together. It wasn't easy or something that happened overnight. People will either accept what put in front of them or reject it.

I happen to agree with a lot of your assessment of them as a couple. Yes they certainly clicked, better than Nick and Juliette ever did. during S5 and S6 Nick is in a different place with Adalind than he was with Juliette. He is unsettled, unsure but intensely drawn to Adalind beyond just settling for the woman that was just within reach compared to Juliette, where he was settled and comfortable but things fell apart no matter all his efforts to hold on to what they had, he still drifted apart from her (unintentionally). At the end of the show, Nick is certain that Adalind was the one he wanted/loved. He still loved Eve/Juliette but that love had transformed to a different kind of love, one based on friendship instead of a love between a man and a woman. He was in love with Adalind and the world was possibly ending so he told her he loved her before going after Zerstörer. The confession of his feelings may seem out of place or too little too late to some but Adalind's initial confession of her own feelings was under similar strenuous conditions. These two played everything close to the chest until forced to embrace the reality of their situation. She was afraid he would never return and thus wanted him to know how she felt and he did the exact same thing.

I was drawn to them as a couple because of the challenge of what being together meant to them at the end of the day. logic says they should have hated one another till the end of time, Having Kelly should never have changed that. You only have to look at Adalind and Renard's relationship to see that it was more than possible for Adalind to remain indifferent towards the man she hated and regarded as an enemy for a very long time. And Nick was no different but even more so, despite his physical attraction to her, for several seasons we've never seen him succumb to his baser nature as a man and as a Grimm, that additional nature should have prevented him pursuing a relationship not only with an enemy but one who was a hexenbiest, the ultimate arch nemesis who cared that they shared a son?

With Juliette, I could never get into them because I felt that the relationship was being broken down (not strengthened) whereas Nick and Adalind were being built up. I was more invested in watching them make their relationship work rather than slog through the ever disintegrating relationship of Nick and Juliette that became too battered once Juliette's resentment and bitterness towards Nick's Grimm (before she went crazy on hexenbiest) I was desperate for the writers to end them and put me out of my misery. I felt like four whole years were wasted on a doomed relationship that added nothing to the lore of the show.

(08-31-2017, 01:13 AM)dicappatore Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 11:11 PM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:49 PM)dicappatore Wrote: I know this is a fantasy show and what we are trying to analyze is two characters created by a writing staff. But these writers are real people and what they write has to be part of their life experiences including the experiences of what they read in that life time. Hence a TV series based on someone else writings. So, even if these are fictional characters, some basis of reality has to be applied to them from the creators and from the viewers.

So, here is a thought. How about faith? How about faith being another reason Nick and Adalind clicked? Somewhere I read that Adalind was just a character created for the pilot, yet Faith, made her character more appealing to the writers and then the viewers.

I know, some posters hate it that Nick was the main man, top honcho, “The Grimm”, which the show is based on, and the Adalind character became the face of his arch enemy. Again, I blame, Faith for the progression that developed this character.

Part of the progression was for this character be the catalyst of the breakup of Nick & Juliette and she did try in more than once. The whole coma season was one and by removing the Grimm from Nick she ended up having his baby.

So, after all these trials and tribulations, they end up under one roof. Let’s put to rest, as some posters claim that they were both social outcasts and had no one else to turn to. He was still a detective, and she was still a lawyer, and both damm good looking. They were still a catch.

After Nick’s experience with Juliette, he didn’t have the desire to get involved with another woman, yet. Adalind experiences with the loss of her first child focused on being a real mom so as not to repeat the mistake she made with her first one. These two characters didn’t fall for each other overnight in one episode. It took a while for their relationship to flourish. The separation forced on them by BC just strengthen what they had.

Did anyone ever think, when they saw that pilot. These two would end up together? Baby Kelly was the catalyst that brought them under the same roof, but I believe, Faith in the writers made them click.

(08-30-2017, 10:52 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Generations of watching movies and TV shows and reading all sorts of trash romance materials has created a widespread belief that a man and woman thrown together by circumstance for any length of time will inevitably fall into bed together. I call it cliche, but I suppose you could call it faith.

Faith or do you mean fate?

Damm good question. I guess either can apply.
Faith, due to unseen forces pushing them towards each other.
Fate, it was inevitable that they would end up together.

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(08-30-2017, 06:25 AM)wesen Wrote: Furthermore I thought there was a little bit of juliette still left in Eve in season 5 or else she wouldn't have done her best to put doubt in Nick's mind that adalind could be trusted once her hexenbiest powers returned. Eve went so far as to threaten adalind if she ever dared to hurt Nick, even though she claimed to be an entirely separate person from juliette. Why would eve have cared to go to that trouble if she truly didn't care about Nick any more? And though I have nothing against juliette/Eve and actually do like her, I didn't like the fact that she mentioned to Nick that she would do all she could to protect Kelly without once mentioning his mother, even though adalind would never have done anything to endanger her baby's life. Then we see evidence in season 6 once juliette's feelings returned, that she was still somewhat affected by Nick moving on to a new relationship. We see this when she hears the conversation between Nick and Adalind about how much they missed each other, her face does a strange like woge. Then we see another scene where Diana and eve/Juliette talk about Nick and how sometimes Juliette feels sad because she misses him as her bf. It wasnt juliette who had moved on from Nick, rather it was Nick who had moved on and chosen a life with Adalind. Yes, he felt responsible and guilty for turning juliette into a hexenbiest but he was no longer in love with her.

One of my biggest claim I have posted on other threads was how Juliette cheated on Nick after she became a Hex. Something Nick never did to Juliette. In response to my claim by the pro-Juliette crowd, they used the excuse that she was on a break-up and was just having sex with others as a single woman.

What you said above affirmed that Juliette was never on a break-up. Like you said, she never got over him, she was never on a break-up. She never got over him as Hex/Juliette, Eve/Juliette nor Stick-Healed/Juliette. When she tells Nick that they can never go back, she was referring to, not only the betrayal of trapping his mom to get beheaded, the dead neighboors, but also how she betrayed him. Something he never did to her but constantly suspected that he did in more than one occasion.

(08-31-2017, 01:48 AM)wesen Wrote:

(08-31-2017, 12:17 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 11:39 PM)wesen Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:15 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: It's a TV and movie cliche for a man and a woman forced by circumstances to live, work or otherwise have to depend on each other to eventually fall in love no matter how much they dislike each other at first. In movies, their romance usually ends sometime before the sequel; on TV, if the ratings drop precipitously after they get together. Nickalind was pretty much inevitable the moment Nick brought Adalind and Kelly to the fome because he thought they were in enough danger to have to live in a secret base.

It might be cliche but if it works then I don't see why it should be a problem. My topic wasn't about the use of cliches or not, it was more to do with why the characters of Nick and Adalind worked 'clicked' together more than juliette and Nick did. Nadalind was more popular with the viewers than juliette and Nick, so it's no surprise that the writers chose to go with them as end game.

These days, most fictional work on film or tv is riddled with cliches or tropes, not even GoT was immune to this since they ran out of books to adapt. It wouldn't be that way if people didn't readily respond to that type of writing. There's nothing wrong with Nick and Adalind being written that way, at the very least there was some complexity in them getting together. It wasn't easy or something that happened overnight. People will either accept what put in front of them or reject it.

I happen to agree with a lot of your assessment of them as a couple. Yes they certainly clicked, better than Nick and Juliette ever did. during S5 and S6 Nick is in a different place with Adalind than he was with Juliette. He is unsettled, unsure but intensely drawn to Adalind beyond just settling for the woman that was just within reach compared to Juliette, where he was settled and comfortable but things fell apart no matter all his efforts to hold on to what they had, he still drifted apart from her (unintentionally). At the end of the show, Nick is certain that Adalind was the one he wanted/loved. He still loved Eve/Juliette but that love had transformed to a different kind of love, one based on friendship instead of a love between a man and a woman. He was in love with Adalind and the world was possibly ending so he told her he loved her before going after Zerstörer. The confession of his feelings may seem out of place or too little too late to some but Adalind's initial confession of her own feelings was under similar strenuous conditions. These two played everything close to the chest until forced to embrace the reality of their situation. She was afraid he would never return and thus wanted him to know how she felt and he did the exact same thing.

I was drawn to them as a couple because of the challenge of what being together meant to them at the end of the day. logic says they should have hated one another till the end of time, Having Kelly should never have changed that. You only have to look at Adalind and Renard's relationship to see that it was more than possible for Adalind to remain indifferent towards the man she hated and regarded as an enemy for a very long time. And Nick was no different but even more so, despite his physical attraction to her, for several seasons we've never seen him succumb to his baser nature as a man and as a Grimm, that additional nature should have prevented him pursuing a relationship not only with an enemy but one who was a hexenbiest, the ultimate arch nemesis who cared that they shared a son?

With Juliette, I could never get into them because I felt that the relationship was being broken down (not strengthened) whereas Nick and Adalind were being built up. I was more invested in watching them make their relationship work rather than slog through the ever disintegrating relationship of Nick and Juliette that became too battered once Juliette's resentment and bitterness towards Nick's Grimm (before she went crazy on hexenbiest) I was desperate for the writers to end them and put me out of my misery. I felt like four whole years were wasted on a doomed relationship that added nothing to the lore of the show.

N
What turned me off Juliette and Nick was the efforts that Nick kept going through for Juliette, but still, it seemed like it was never enough. Juliette just seemed so high maintenance, so often demanding. Juliette could have walked away from Nick if she felt that his life as a Grimm was too much to handle, instead she basically forced him to choose her over who he really was. She wanted him to forget his heritage, his family, just so he could be conventionally normal for her. That's not real love. To Juliette, she loved the idea of Nick the human cop rather than Nick the Grimm who also happened to be a cop. When Kelly was talking in the end, he mentioned something about how the world was saved because Nick didnt turn away from who he was - as a Grimm. I thought it significant because it showed that Adalind really did love Nick for who he was, the cop and the Grimm.

(08-31-2017, 02:20 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-31-2017, 01:48 AM)wesen Wrote:

(08-31-2017, 12:17 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 11:39 PM)wesen Wrote:

(08-30-2017, 07:15 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: It's a TV and movie cliche for a man and a woman forced by circumstances to live, work or otherwise have to depend on each other to eventually fall in love no matter how much they dislike each other at first. In movies, their romance usually ends sometime before the sequel; on TV, if the ratings drop precipitously after they get together. Nickalind was pretty much inevitable the moment Nick brought Adalind and Kelly to the fome because he thought they were in enough danger to have to live in a secret base.

It might be cliche but if it works then I don't see why it should be a problem. My topic wasn't about the use of cliches or not, it was more to do with why the characters of Nick and Adalind worked 'clicked' together more than juliette and Nick did. Nadalind was more popular with the viewers than juliette and Nick, so it's no surprise that the writers chose to go with them as end game.

These days, most fictional work on film or tv is riddled with cliches or tropes, not even GoT was immune to this since they ran out of books to adapt. It wouldn't be that way if people didn't readily respond to that type of writing. There's nothing wrong with Nick and Adalind being written that way, at the very least there was some complexity in them getting together. It wasn't easy or something that happened overnight. People will either accept what put in front of them or reject it.

I happen to agree with a lot of your assessment of them as a couple. Yes they certainly clicked, better than Nick and Juliette ever did. during S5 and S6 Nick is in a different place with Adalind than he was with Juliette. He is unsettled, unsure but intensely drawn to Adalind beyond just settling for the woman that was just within reach compared to Juliette, where he was settled and comfortable but things fell apart no matter all his efforts to hold on to what they had, he still drifted apart from her (unintentionally). At the end of the show, Nick is certain that Adalind was the one he wanted/loved. He still loved Eve/Juliette but that love had transformed to a different kind of love, one based on friendship instead of a love between a man and a woman. He was in love with Adalind and the world was possibly ending so he told her he loved her before going after Zerstörer. The confession of his feelings may seem out of place or too little too late to some but Adalind's initial confession of her own feelings was under similar strenuous conditions. These two played everything close to the chest until forced to embrace the reality of their situation. She was afraid he would never return and thus wanted him to know how she felt and he did the exact same thing.

I was drawn to them as a couple because of the challenge of what being together meant to them at the end of the day. logic says they should have hated one another till the end of time, Having Kelly should never have changed that. You only have to look at Adalind and Renard's relationship to see that it was more than possible for Adalind to remain indifferent towards the man she hated and regarded as an enemy for a very long time. And Nick was no different but even more so, despite his physical attraction to her, for several seasons we've never seen him succumb to his baser nature as a man and as a Grimm, that additional nature should have prevented him pursuing a relationship not only with an enemy but one who was a hexenbiest, the ultimate arch nemesis who cared that they shared a son?

With Juliette, I could never get into them because I felt that the relationship was being broken down (not strengthened) whereas Nick and Adalind were being built up. I was more invested in watching them make their relationship work rather than slog through the ever disintegrating relationship of Nick and Juliette that became too battered once Juliette's resentment and bitterness towards Nick's Grimm (before she went crazy on hexenbiest) I was desperate for the writers to end them and put me out of my misery. I felt like four whole years were wasted on a doomed relationship that added nothing to the lore of the show.

N
What turned me off Juliette and Nick was the efforts that Nick kept going through for Juliette, but still, it seemed like it was never enough. Juliette just seemed so high maintenance, so often demanding. Juliette could have walked away from Nick if she felt that his life as a Grimm was too much to handle, instead she basically forced him to choose her over who he really was. She wanted him to forget his heritage, his family, just so he could be conventionally normal for her. That's not real love. To Juliette, she loved the idea of Nick the human cop rather than Nick the Grimm who also happened to be a cop. When Kelly was talking in the end, he mentioned something about how the world was saved because Nick didnt turn away from who he was - as a Grimm. I thought it significant because it showed that Adalind really did love Nick for who he was, the cop and the Grimm.

It's very telling indeed. I don't hate Juliette but I do think their relationship was a complete waste of (my) time and energy when it was apparent that it wasn't working. She should have left him long before he even lost his Grimm, period because he wasn't what she envisioned for herself. There was nothing Nick could have done to to change that. He was who and what he was. The final straw for me was when she asked his friends to not try and find a cure for his Grimmlessness without even talking to Nick about it. She changed her mind of course, not because she realised that it was what he wanted. She did it because others were in danger as a result of him being Grimmless and Nick the Grimm could have done something to help. She made the choice for Monroe, not Nick.

When she became a hexenbiest, she turned violent because she felt done in by Nick, forgetting that she was just as complicit for her new state through her own actions/choices. Nick didn't (intentionally) make her into what she was. he didn't know that would happen and he tried everything he could to fix it and she still hated him for everything. @Brandon said she'd lost confidence in Nick's love for her, I agree (didn't happen overnight either, it started with him keeping his grimm from her) but he never wavered in his love for her during all the time they were together (despite his mild attraction to Adalind, or the Musai and the Daemonfeuer showing up and messing things up). Nick remained faithful to her and told her he was willing to accept her. Then Adalind showed up and offered a temp solution that would give Juliette back some form of normalcy, at least until they could figure things out on a more permanent basis and she spurned everything, burnt all her bridges. It would take a miracle for me to want those two back together or even think they were ever good together because they weren't.

(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: You mentioned that Nick was basically this guy who had no choice other than Adalind because Juliette was the one who chose to leave him, when it was obvious that juliette still had feelings for him and missed him at times. It wasn't that Nick didnt have an option, he was able to move on with his life with another person who he was happy with, whereas Juliette was the one who was presented as basically being unhappy and had no option but to live with who she became. I felt sorry for her more than I did for Nick. Nick got his happily ever after, Juliette didn't.

Quote:Yet Nick thought she was a good enough woman to be his girlfriend and maybe even his wife. Meisner seemed to have only good non sexual thoughts about Adalind, specifically about her being a good mother. Nick thought so too, when he told Monroe she was an amazing mother to Kelly. So you're wrong about that as well.

(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: The reality is guys as well as women check out people who are not their significant other if that said person is attractive. It's human nature to look at and admire something or someone who is beautiful/handsome. Nick never cheated on Juliette, finding someone attractive does not equate to cheating.

(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: Why would she have chosen to date someone so soon after having Kelly? She could have remained single, and let's pretend that the characters did exist off screen. Adalind was still hot, she could have dated other men besides Nick. Just because she was a single mother would not stop guys from wanting to be with her. She was young, attractive and when she got her job back, financially able to rely on her own. She would be considered a catch even with children. Also, if we stick to other characters in the show, Meisner thought highly of Adalind. So no, Nick wasn't the only option for Adalind. Even Renard was willing to play happy families with her, she could have easily gone back to him as another option besides Nick.

(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: Adalind was kind, sweet and caring towards Nick. She named their baby Kelly after Nick's mother, and even started working again so she wouldn't be a burden to Nick. She also opened herself and showed her vulnerability, by confessing that she had become a hexenbiest again. How does that not show that adalind didn't try to please Nick?

(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: Why would he need to? They weren't dating when they were living together, they weren't expecting to have a relationship. The fact that they inevitably fell in love wasn't intended or planned by them. They became friends first and then lovers.

Quote:Adalind got domestic and frumpy. Nick became even blander
That's your bias talking. I know you hate the idea of nadalind but Ive read a few posts here that seem to confirm the popularity of the couple. The viewers bought it, because like another poster here said, if it was unpopular, they wouldn't have made nadalind the end game. Personally, I like the idea of liking and loving someone for who they are, warts and all, without having to go to extreme lengths just to please someone. In the real world, most people would probably prefer a comfortable low key relationship over a high maintenance drama filled one.

(08-31-2017, 04:26 AM)irukandji Wrote: I don't get you posters who favor the Adalind/Nick combination. You don't allow for posters to have a different point of view. They must have your point of view or they're called all kinds of names and criticized unfairly.

Quote:You mentioned that Nick was basically this guy who had no choice other than Adalind because Juliette was the one who chose to leave him, when it was obvious that juliette still had feelings for him and missed him at times. It wasn't that Nick didnt have an option, he was able to move on with his life with another person who he was happy with, whereas Juliette was the one who was presented as basically being unhappy and had no option but to live with who she became. I felt sorry for her more than I did for Nick. Nick got his happily ever after, Juliette didn't.

But this doesn't answer my observation about your post. Why do you continue to bring Juliette into a thread that is specifically about Nick and Adalind? As I said, I'm not trying to be rude, but whenever someone critiques Adalind, all of the sudden there's some poster (or posters) who have to rant about Juliette. I know exactly what Juliette did, but this thread isn't about her, nor is it about how Nick could or could not get her back. Maybe you could explain why you feel it's so important to continue to drag her into the debate?

Quote:Yet Nick thought she was a good enough woman to be his girlfriend and maybe even his wife. Meisner seemed to have only good non sexual thoughts about Adalind, specifically about her being a good mother. Nick thought so too, when he told Monroe she was an amazing mother to Kelly. So you're wrong about that as well.

Nick told Monroe she was an amazing mother. When did he ever tell Monroe that he was just glad she came into his life, or that he loved her? Tell me, when did Nick talk to Monroe about Adalind and only Adalind besides the unremarkable statement that she's an amazing mother?

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(08-31-2017, 12:19 AM)wesen Wrote: The reality is guys as well as women check out people who are not their significant other if that said person is attractive. It's human nature to look at and admire something or someone who is beautiful/handsome. Nick never cheated on Juliette, finding someone attractive does not equate to cheating.

Guys wouldn't be guys if they didn't look at a pretty girl. They're hard wired just like women are when they check out a guy.

But that is not what you said. You said Nick lusted after Adalind while he was with Juliette. Lusting after someone is a whole different thing. I merely stated I could see why Juliette refused his proposal.

Quote:Why would she have chosen to date someone so soon after having Kelly? She could have remained single, and let's pretend that the characters did exist off screen. Adalind was still hot, she could have dated other men besides Nick. Just because she was a single mother would not stop guys from wanting to be with her. She was young, attractive and when she got her job back, financially able to rely on her own. She would be considered a catch even with children. Also, if we stick to other characters in the show, Meisner thought highly of Adalind. So no, Nick wasn't the only option for Adalind. Even Renard was willing to play happy families with her, she could have easily gone back to him as another option besides Nick.

Exactly. She *could* have gone on to be an independent woman. She had a great career. The firm wanted her back. Instead she opted to move in with Nick and become his domestic little mouse with no life of her own.

Quote:As I stated before, she settled for less.

Quote:As I stated, he also settled for less.

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Quote:Adalind got domestic and frumpy. Nick became even blander
That's your bias talking. I know you hate the idea of nadalind but Ive read a few posts here that seem to confirm the popularity of the couple. The viewers bought it, because like another poster here said, if it was unpopular, they wouldn't have made nadalind the end game. Personally, I like the idea of liking and loving someone for who they are, warts and all, without having to go to extreme lengths just to please someone. In the real world, most people would probably prefer a comfortable low key relationship over a high maintenance drama filled one.

Why is your opinion considered just the greatest most wonderful piece of writing and mine is biased?

I don't get you posters who favor the Adalind/Nick combination. You don't allow for posters to have a different point of view. They must have your point of view or they're called all kinds of names and criticized unfairly.

I could care less if you criticize the characters, but why do you feel personal criticisms are warranted simply because someone doesn't see it your way?