(11-09-2013, 01:24 PM)Abc10 Wrote:

(11-09-2013, 09:29 AM)speakeasy Wrote:

(11-09-2013, 08:52 AM)Gretel Hanselsister Wrote: The captain was kind of rude to Nick, I don't remember him talking to Nick this way before. I don't see Nick as a unscruplous Wesen-killer, does the captain?

Agreed. I've don't recall him speaking like that to Nick before either; usually it's Nick who has an aggressive tone in his voice when they talk. Maybe this cold-hearted Captain has a bit of a conscience after all and is feeling the same kind of guilt he senses in Nick about ordering the murder of his cousin, Eric. Conscience over having to do violence is the distinction between being willing to do what it one feels is necessary and being a monster with no regret over taking a life, so I hope so.

That was one of my favorite scenes Maybe Renard got a little irritated because Nick kept complaining about killing that guy? But Renard is right, Nick just feels guilty because the guy wasn't wesen... He did kill some wesen but the captain maked it sound like he's some evil grimm who kills every wesen he sees (because of the ''that's what grimms do, isn't it''). But is was the hard truth..

(11-09-2013, 12:09 PM)GrimmForum Wrote: "Grimm" (1.3/4 in 18-49, 4.9 million viewers overall at 9 p.m. ET) built on its lead-in by 30% in 18-49 rating. "Grimm" maintained or increased its rating from half-hour to half-hour in every key demo. In total viewers, "Grimm" retained 99% of last week's result (4.935 million vs. 4.960 million).

(11-10-2013, 10:06 PM)HellJacket Wrote:

(11-09-2013, 12:09 PM)GrimmForum Wrote: "Grimm" (1.3/4 in 18-49, 4.9 million viewers overall at 9 p.m. ET) built on its lead-in by 30% in 18-49 rating. "Grimm" maintained or increased its rating from half-hour to half-hour in every key demo. In total viewers, "Grimm" retained 99% of last week's result (4.935 million vs. 4.960 million).

Let me add some context to the above numbers. This current fall season, NBC's scripted average currently sits around a 1.6 18-49 demo rating (the overall average is around a 3.0 demo rating with The Voice and Sunday Night Football, but that's not relevant for renewal purposes). Therefore, that 1.3 demo rating is almost 20% below the average. While not terrible, that's not good by any measure. While it's pretty certain that Grimm will be renewed this season, if that demo rating keeps dropping, fans should expect Season 4 to be Grimm's last one with a reduced budget. Think season 5 of Chuck for a comparison.

The comment about building on its lead-in is something many fans like to point to as a good thing, but is pretty meaningless at the end of the day. It is sad though. Grimm would probably have gone for 5-7 seasons if it ever had a real lead-in to grow it's audience. Oh well. Four seasons is something many shows don't get.

(11-11-2013, 06:02 AM)Abc10 Wrote: I think a lot of people will say Grimm gets better (so for season 3 is my favorite) so just keep watching the show and maybe it will get like 6 seasons. One can only hope

(11-11-2013, 09:35 AM)HellJacket Wrote:

(11-11-2013, 06:02 AM)Abc10 Wrote: I think most people will say Grimm gets better (so for season 3 is my favorite) so just keep watching the show and maybe it will get like 6 seasons. One can only hope

I think Grimm is clearly getting worse, but at the same time, I'd say it's getting more consistent. I'd rank the seasons as follows:

Season 1 (best)
Season 2 (good)
Season 3 (average/only ok)

The thing is, the worst episodes of the entire series are from Season 1. However, the best episodes were also from Season 1 (i.e., the Pilot, the Angelina episode, Three Coins in a Fuchsbau, Cat and Mouse, Game Ogre, Leave it to Beavers, the Ariel Dragonfeuer episode and the finale). In Season 2, I thought the opening 2 episodes, the return of Angelina, and the midseason finale were great, but there were no great ones besides those (definitely not the zombie ones). We are here at season 3, and while I thought the first three episodes were all OK, they weren't particularly memorable in my opinion.

I was also a fan of Heroes who mainly loved only the first season. The problem with Heroes is that it lived and died with its overall plot. On Grimm, the show's overall plot can suck, but because of the mythology and characters it can still get by for a while. That's what the Grimm feels like right now. The show is just getting by.

/Is totally aware that other people will disagree one what qualifies as great episodes from each season

(11-09-2013, 12:23 AM)pale boy Wrote: [color=#32CD32][size=medium][font=Times New Roman] Then there was the continuing plot with Renard & his buddy (can't remember his name). But (surprise) Renard knows that Adalind is pregnant, apparently. Well. Didn't see that coming. Also, going by her blood tears, she must be back to full Hexenbiest status. Finally, her work with Frau Pech is complete. (That stuff was getting hilariously gruesome.)

(11-12-2013, 10:33 AM)droid327 Wrote: Incidentally, would that confession even stand up in court? It seems awfully forced, with no corroborating evidence they showed, and he still seemed too defiant.

(11-12-2013, 10:33 AM)droid327 Wrote: He knows(?) that Adalind is carrying his baby, which could be the key to reclaiming control of the Family.

(11-13-2013, 10:44 AM)Lou Wrote: All he know for sure is that Frau Pesh met up with someone in that room and that Adalind is staying there. And that Frau Pesh knew someone was pregnant with royal blood. Of course, it doesn't take a genius to connect the dots but its still somewhat tenuous. Also, although Renard know he "slept" with Adalind, he also knows that Adalind was "staying" with Eric. So he can't be sure whose baby it is - although that that may not even matter.