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RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - MarylikesGrimm - 02-25-2017

(02-25-2017, 01:06 PM)syscrash Wrote: The more they tie Diana to the prophecy. The harder it becomes for Diana not to find out what her mother did. That is much worse then Juliette's passive involvement in Kelly's death.

Diana is what she is because of Adalind. Diana would be a two year old child with no connection to the underworld. If Adalind had not made the deal and performed the ritual.
If not for Adalind putting Diana up for sale. Then having a Royal blood test. She would not have had to hide all her life. The royals would have not known she existed.

People want to absolve Adalind because she changed her mind and started to care for Diana. It is to late the damage is done. If nothing else something is coming and Diana is connected. A situation created by Adalind's self serving actions. It is like a mother who choose to get high and party while pregnant. But now want everyone to see her as a good mother now that she is sober.

Women with drug or alcohol issues are often given their children back after completing treatment programs. Adalind being a good mother for Kelly for a while was like completing one of these programs. If anything people often try harder to help these women stay with their children and do not name call them.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - syscrash - 02-25-2017

That still does not reverse the damage. Returning the child is hoping to not create further damage. In these cases the past is hidden to help elevate the guilt. But ask most of them the gut never goes away. What they do to them selves is far worse that what others could make them feel. As for Adalind she has not even come close to completing a treatment program. The first step is to Adam it you have a problem. No where in this she has it ever been acknowledged that there is a problem. All the characters act as if Diana is normal. Only Sean suspects Adalind was selling the child. But even he does not know about the deal or the ritual. That is like knowing a mother has a problem but not knowing it is drugs or alcohol. Just like you can solve a drinking Problem until you know they drink. Grimm can't solve and underworld problem until they know it was created by a deal. If this story holds true like other shows. You destroy the contract you end the problem.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - MarylikesGrimm - 02-25-2017

(02-25-2017, 02:07 PM)syscrash Wrote: That still does not reverse the damage. Returning the child is hoping to not create further damage. In these cases the past is hidden to help elevate the guilt. But ask most of them the gut never goes away. What they do to them selves is far worse that what others could make them feel. As for Adalind she has not even come close to completing a treatment program. The first step is to Adam it you have a problem. No where in this she has it ever been acknowledged that there is a problem. All the characters act as if Diana is normal. Only Sean suspects Adalind was selling the child. But even he does not know about the deal or the ritual. That is like knowing a mother has a problem but not knowing it is drugs or alcohol. Just like you can solve a drinking Problem until you know they drink. Grimm can't solve and underworld problem until they know it was created by a deal. If this story holds true like other shows. You destroy the contract you end the problem.

Sean was trying bid on Diana and his spy was suppose to help run the bidding for Vikor. Sean saw the cream in Europe in Adalind room but was not sure what it was for.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - syscrash - 02-25-2017

I agree there is enough information to figure out what Adalind did. But will this be like other things. Deny the past because the subject is to toxic. And blame it on the stick because that is the current cause of the problems.

I wonder is the ambaguity deliberate or just poor writing. Or is it they create a subject they can not follow through on. The studios say they can't go there. Grimm is network TV.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - MarylikesGrimm - 02-25-2017

(02-25-2017, 02:07 PM)syscrash Wrote: That still does not reverse the damage. Returning the child is hoping to not create further damage. In these cases the past is hidden to help elevate the guilt. But ask most of them the gut never goes away. What they do to them selves is far worse that what others could make them feel. As for Adalind she has not even come close to completing a treatment program. The first step is to Adam it you have a problem. No where in this she has it ever been acknowledged that there is a problem. All the characters act as if Diana is normal. Only Sean suspects Adalind was selling the child. But even he does not know about the deal or the ritual. That is like knowing a mother has a problem but not knowing it is drugs or alcohol. Just like you can solve a drinking Problem until you know they drink. Grimm can't solve and underworld problem until they know it was created by a deal. If this story holds true like other shows. You destroy the contract you end the problem.

Adalind beist fight with Juliette and the talk with Sean in the car soon afterwards had facing she had no credibility with anyone because she was seen as a bad mother. After that she worked to improve herself with a focus on Kelly. I agree she is hiding the contract from Nick which shows the issue may come up.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - FaceInTheCrowd - 02-25-2017

Nick's mom already figured out that Diana's powers were the result of Adalind doing Contaminatio Ritualis while she was pregnant, and she explained that to Nick and Juliette. If Sean recognized what was in the jar, then he should know too.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - syscrash - 02-25-2017

I agree Adalind is being shown to be a great mother. Every conversation is about her and her kids. But not mater what she does. Does not change what she did. Especially since it can not be corrected. And what she did is having a detrajental effect on her child.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - MarylikesGrimm - 02-25-2017

(02-25-2017, 02:46 PM)syscrash Wrote: I agree Adalind is being shown to be a great mother. Every conversation is about her and her kids. But not mater what she does. Does not change what she did. Especially since it can not be corrected. And what she did is having a detrajental effect on her child.

Actually unlike someone being dead things can be done to make Diana better and mom is on the lookout for ways to help Diana.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - irukandji - 02-25-2017

(02-24-2017, 05:39 PM)syscrash Wrote: What makes sense is Diana stayed where she was because she wanted to. If you try and rationalize Diana actions from a child's perspective they make no sense. If you consider she is an entity then all she has done makes perfect sense. She has always gone where she would have the best opportunity to expand her abilities.

The contradiction to all of this is the night Kelly was killed. Diana neither acted like an entity or like a child. A toddler would have been freaked out by out of the scuffling that took place before Kenneth said the fight should be taken outside. An entity, particularly one who viewed Kelly as a mother, would have taken powerful measures and prevented Kelly from being killed.


RE: So Diana doesn't know Juliette betrayed Kelly. - syscrash - 02-25-2017

Quote:Actually unlike someone being dead things can be done to make Diana better and mom is on the lookout for ways to help Diana.
We are talking about a supernatural threat. So far Dalind has nothing to even help determine what it is.

Quote:The contradiction to all of this is the night Kelly was killed. Diana neither acted like an entity or like a child. A toddler would have been freaked out by out of the scuffling that took place before Kenneth said the fight should be taken outside. An entity, particularly one who viewed Kelly as a mother, would have taken powerful measures and prevented Kelly from being killed.

You are viewing it as Diana's reaction should fit what you think is reasonable. As we go along Diana seems to be more and more connected to what is coming. That being the case Diana as an entity could be biding her time until it get here. It could not matter to her where she is. That she liked Kelly may be true. But that does not mean she would make an effort to be with her.