(11-24-2018, 02:15 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Yeah, because that's the first and only thing we ever see Nick do. Nothing he did for the previous four years, and however many years before he realized he was a Grimm, matters. Neither does what Nick did for the next twenty years.

(11-24-2018, 02:25 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(11-24-2018, 02:15 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: Yeah, because that's the first and only thing we ever see Nick do. Nothing he did for the previous four years, and however many years before he realized he was a Grimm, matters. Neither does what Nick did for the next twenty years.

No, Nick was corrupt before her murdered Kenneth. He was corrupt after he murdered Kenneth. The thing with Nick is that because he performs a good act here and there, the bad ones, even murder, are overlooked.

(11-24-2018, 02:35 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: This discussion started because you said there was a good possibility of him ending up alone due to his small group of friends and that expanded to his morality which the other characters hold in high regard.

(11-24-2018, 01:52 PM)irukandji Wrote: You said Nick as written and portrayed was a social person. He needed people around him he could trust. So tell me. Where are all of the old friends Nick, the social person, could trust? For that matter where are the new friends? All I saw at the end were the kids. And if you take Diana's statement to heart, then Nick is no longer just hunting the bad ones. His group is killing wesen.

(11-24-2018, 02:00 PM)irukandji Wrote: Diana did not get Nick back because she had an emotional connection with him. She got him back for Adalind. You keep trying to piece things together to establish some kind of an emotional connection between them and it just isn't there.

(11-24-2018, 02:25 PM)irukandji Wrote: No, Nick was corrupt before he murdered Kenneth. He was corrupt after he murdered Kenneth. The thing with Nick is that because he performs a good act here and there, the bad acts, even murder, are overlooked.

(11-24-2018, 03:41 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Why the heck shouldn't Diana bond with Nick? In addition to what the other contributors have said, I just want to remind you that Nick rescued Diana from Z. It was only Nick that could save her from a horrible fate. I'm sure she never forgot.

(11-24-2018, 02:25 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have never seen a crime or superhero series where the detectives or heroes always follows the law. Grimm was about a man who had to balance being a cop with being a Grimm. Nick fights against evil monsters and villains that can only be defeated with untraditional methods. But keep telling yourself that Nick is evil and the villains are heroes.

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(11-24-2018, 03:41 PM)N_grimm Wrote: Why the heck shouldn't Diana bond with Nick? In addition to what the other contributors have said, I just want to remind you that Nick rescued Diana from Z. It was only Nick that could save her from a horrible fate. I'm sure she never forgot.

Nick brought Z into this world with him. He owes it to Diana to rescue her, don't you think? Why you're equating that into some kind of bonding ritual is beyond me.

(11-24-2018, 02:25 PM)irukandji Wrote: I have never seen a crime or superhero series where the detectives or heroes always follows the law. Grimm was about a man who had to balance being a cop with being a Grimm. Nick fights against evil monsters and villains that can only be defeated with untraditional methods. But keep telling yourself that Nick is evil and the villains are heroes.

When the hero does exactly the same things the villains in the series do, there's no way he can be the hero.

(11-24-2018, 04:06 PM)Henry of green Wrote: No if it’s anyone fault it’s Eves she’s the dumbass who went through the Mirror in the first place even though she was told serveral Times it was a bad idea time to cross through the Mirror. It’s was Diana herself who pulled Nick through the Mirror so Nick holds zero blames but since when did the stop you blaming him anyway Nicks worse than Zerstorer after all in your eyes.

(11-24-2018, 04:11 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(11-24-2018, 04:06 PM)Henry of green Wrote: No if it’s anyone fault it’s Eves she’s the dumbass who went through the Mirror in the first place even though she was told serveral Times it was a bad idea time to cross through the Mirror. It’s was Diana herself who pulled Nick through the Mirror so Nick holds zero blames but since when did the stop you blaming him anyway Nicks worse than Zerstorer after all in your eyes.

Nick's a big boy. Eve didn't yank him by the arm into the other side. He went of his own free will. It was Z who hitched a ride with him, not Eve.

(11-24-2018, 04:14 PM)Henry of green Wrote: Diana pulled Nick through the Mirror he didn’t have a choice, Nicks not responsible from everything as much as you want him to be.

(11-24-2018, 04:15 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(11-24-2018, 04:14 PM)Henry of green Wrote: Diana pulled Nick through the Mirror he didn’t have a choice, Nicks not responsible from everything as much as you want him to be.

Nick had a choice. He never should have gone in the first place.