(06-20-2016, 04:39 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 04:16 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: Sean had no memory during the possession of Jack the Ripper...the only time he knew he was not in control was when He wrote in his own blood on the mirror.. Jack the Ripper

I agree, but New Guy thinks that Renard and Juliette should have been able to resist the attraction caused by the spell used to wake her, so I'm curious if he sees the possession differently. And why a spell powerful enough to return Grimm powers and turn a human into a Hexenbiest wouldn't be strong enough to influence behavior.

(06-20-2016, 05:18 PM)New Guy Wrote: Robyn and Kathryn,
If Hexenbiest spells were so powerful that no one could resist them then the world would be totally controlled by Hexenbiests. It is an individual choice to live by high moral and ethical standards. Renard will kill if it suits him. When Jack "possessed" Renard it was simple for Jack to get him to murder the hookers because his own moral standards are so low. His lack of any remorse for the murders shows how amoral he is.
The re-Grimm turned Juliette into a Hexenbiest. It didn't alter her morals. She just used it as an excuse to launch a tirade of hatred and acts of violence against Nick or anyone who tried to "help" her. IMO even if there had been no Hexen-side-effect Juliette may have implemented her vile acts because her hatred was already within her. The Hexenbiest simply amplified the severity of her heinous crimes. She enjoyed what she did and like Renard has no remorse because she also is amoral.
New Guy

(06-20-2016, 07:05 PM)Chris Curran Wrote: Nick and adelind having a relationship wasn't really any of their fault juliette ,Nick and adelind don't really have any control over the relationship. As Nick did say after he slept with her he was sleeping with Kelly's mother none of them wanted this at first so I don't think it's a slap in juliette face they were (sorry for cliche) bought together through powers beyond their control. So really it's just unfortunate for juliette (let's see what happens)

(06-20-2016, 07:15 PM)izzy Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 07:05 PM)Chris Curran Wrote: Nick and adelind having a relationship wasn't really any of their fault juliette ,Nick and adelind don't really have any control over the relationship. As Nick did say after he slept with her he was sleeping with Kelly's mother none of them wanted this at first so I don't think it's a slap in juliette face they were (sorry for cliche) bought together through powers beyond their control. So really it's just unfortunate for juliette (let's see what happens)

Not as a dig at your comments, but just general I think many people would agree with you. But what I don;t get, is why is Nick such a a prize? I mean, why would a woman fret over losing him? I men he is "ok" but is he really a "catch"? I am not so sure Juliette is not better off without him; at one point she clearly thought that because she was not willing to accept his proposal.

(06-20-2016, 07:44 PM)Chris Curran Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 07:15 PM)izzy Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 07:05 PM)Chris Curran Wrote: Nick and adelind having a relationship wasn't really any of their fault juliette ,Nick and adelind don't really have any control over the relationship. As Nick did say after he slept with her he was sleeping with Kelly's mother none of them wanted this at first so I don't think it's a slap in juliette face they were (sorry for cliche) bought together through powers beyond their control. So really it's just unfortunate for juliette (let's see what happens)

Not as a dig at your comments, but just general I think many people would agree with you. But what I don;t get, is why is Nick such a a prize? I mean, why would a woman fret over losing him? I men he is "ok" but is he really a "catch"? I am not so sure Juliette is not better off without him; at one point she clearly thought that because she was not willing to accept his proposal.

I don't think of him as a catch as I'm a lad but Nick seems to be a perfect father and protector for both adelind. But we don't really have much history on Nick and juliette as they were together right at the start.band we got a little bit of foreshadowing in the first episode that Nick always had an eye on adelind before he was even knew he was a Grimm. And also he's the main character it's just natural

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I've also got to remember this is a different adelind to the one in the first couple of seasons

(06-20-2016, 06:48 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 05:18 PM)New Guy Wrote: Robyn and Kathryn,
If Hexenbiest spells were so powerful that no one could resist them then the world would be totally controlled by Hexenbiests. It is an individual choice to live by high moral and ethical standards. Renard will kill if it suits him. When Jack "possessed" Renard it was simple for Jack to get him to murder the hookers because his own moral standards are so low. His lack of any remorse for the murders shows how amoral he is.
The re-Grimm turned Juliette into a Hexenbiest. It didn't alter her morals. She just used it as an excuse to launch a tirade of hatred and acts of violence against Nick or anyone who tried to "help" her. IMO even if there had been no Hexen-side-effect Juliette may have implemented her vile acts because her hatred was already within her. The Hexenbiest simply amplified the severity of her heinous crimes. She enjoyed what she did and like Renard has no remorse because she also is amoral.
New Guy

So how does this compare to Nick under the influence of the Zombie spell? Nick was on a rampage, violent, hit Juliette, killed a man. The show supplied a contrived out for Nick, the man he killed had a knife. However, Nick, under the Zombie influence had no idea the man had a knife when he killed him. Nick, the Grimm, unable to resist the Zombie spell influence, killed the man.

(06-21-2016, 03:57 AM)New Guy Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 06:48 PM)Robyn Wrote:

(06-20-2016, 05:18 PM)New Guy Wrote: Robyn and Kathryn,
If Hexenbiest spells were so powerful that no one could resist them then the world would be totally controlled by Hexenbiests. It is an individual choice to live by high moral and ethical standards. Renard will kill if it suits him. When Jack "possessed" Renard it was simple for Jack to get him to murder the hookers because his own moral standards are so low. His lack of any remorse for the murders shows how amoral he is.
The re-Grimm turned Juliette into a Hexenbiest. It didn't alter her morals. She just used it as an excuse to launch a tirade of hatred and acts of violence against Nick or anyone who tried to "help" her. IMO even if there had been no Hexen-side-effect Juliette may have implemented her vile acts because her hatred was already within her. The Hexenbiest simply amplified the severity of her heinous crimes. She enjoyed what she did and like Renard has no remorse because she also is amoral.
New Guy

So how does this compare to Nick under the influence of the Zombie spell? Nick was on a rampage, violent, hit Juliette, killed a man. The show supplied a contrived out for Nick, the man he killed had a knife. However, Nick, under the Zombie influence had no idea the man had a knife when he killed him. Nick, the Grimm, unable to resist the Zombie spell influence, killed the man.

Hi Robyn,
The point is that when Nick learned that the guy in the bar fight died he took responsibility, had remorse and was about to turn himself in. Renard talked him out of it.
Compare that to Renard. When he learned he had murdered the hookers he only looked for a way to dodge responsibility and had no remorse.
New Guy