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Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - Kathryn Wooten - 05-16-2016
If Adalind tells Sean that Rachel is dead in his bedroom and that his daughter did it..because she thought Rachel was a threat..could Renard change his mind of wesen domination, because he does not want his little girl to continue to see , what she was accuse of doing?? and Sean decides to help Nick save their little part of the world..Portland.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - FaceInTheCrowd - 05-16-2016
From the conversation at HW, it appears that BC is massing their forces in Portland, which would potentially make it possible to declaw them. I'm not so sure that Renard has really drunk the BC kool aid that that couldn't be exactly what he wants to make happen.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - syscrash - 05-16-2016
Why would Sean feel different about Diana doing what Sean has done many times in the past. Upset Sean you end up dead. Even if you are his brother. Why would Sean care that Rachael is dead. For that matter why would Conrad even care that Rachael is dead. Why would Sean ever be against wesen rule. To determine Sean and Adalind reaction to Diana you have to consider they are both hexenbiest /zauberbiest so they understand Diana. They would encourage her. The idea of blaming Diana of Kelly lack of teaching, over look the girl is a hexenbiest which dictates certain actions are expected of her. That she cooperates with adults is a testament of Kelly's teaching.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - Robyn - 05-17-2016
I don't see Renard wanting to get rid of Diana unless he can't control her and becomes a threat to him. I don't see him having any moral hang up over his daughter killing people.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - degrimm - 05-17-2016
i really don't like how people view renard here like he's monster; yes he has killed and yes he thinks about himself but he does love his daughter and he would do what he takes to protect her an @least he's more emotionally in tuned than nick.
there are lots of examples. like with adalind but the only problem was that she was headstrong, like with juliette helping her and understanding what she's going through.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - Robyn - 05-17-2016
(05-17-2016, 12:01 PM)degrimm Wrote: i really don't like how people view renard here like he's monster; yes he has killed and yes he thinks about himself but he does love his daughter and he would do what he takes to protect her an @least he's more emotionally in tuned than nick.When Juliette went to Renard to find Adalind because she wanted to kill her, Renard said he thought that was a good idea and told Juliette that Adalind was at the Hotel Deluxe.
there are lots of examples. like with adalind but the only problem was that she was headstrong, like with juliette helping her and understanding what she's going through.
When Meisner told Renard Diana was with the Resistance not the Royals, he didn't go to Adalind, suggest they get their daughter back.
He got his daughter back and contacted Adalind to complete the perfect picture when it aided him in his bid for mayor.
Renard knows how dangerous BC is, instead of contacting Meisner/the Resistance he allowed BC to take possession of his daughter. Renard told Adalind BC is in control, not them.
This is not a loving, protective father. I understand Adalind going to Renard/BC, they already have Diana. But if she'd worked with BC the way Renard has, I'd consider her the same as Renard.
Edited to add: degrimm, I hope your assessment of Renard turns out to be right, I'd like to see him risk himself to protect Diana from harm. I want him to remain calculative & cunning because he's so interesting, but I'd really like to witness Renard putting someone else first and risking his life.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - Kathryn Wooten - 05-17-2016
I think Sean would be shocked because he had fun with Rachel , he has to have some feelings for her (even a little) if they tell him because how long can you hide a dead body in the house . If they tell him he will cover for his daughter crime and will tell Conrad he caught her talking to the resistance or something like that and he had to kill her.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - degrimm - 05-17-2016
(05-17-2016, 12:18 PM)Robyn Wrote: When Juliette went to Renard to find Adalind because she wanted to kill her, Renard said he thought that was a good idea and told Juliette that Adalind was at the Hotel Deluxe.
whose side was adalind on when he said this and why would he want adalind dead- cos she bought the royals to them, told the royals how her child was taken and who are responsible, all to protect diana. i would want her dead too @ that point; so adalind was the problem here
When Meisner told Renard Diana was with the Resistance not the Royals, he didn't go to Adalind, suggest they get their daughter back.
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he thought meisner told adalind about their child been with the resistance and since kelly was dead the next best thing is the resistance; why would he when she's safe
He got his daughter back and contacted Adalind to complete the perfect picture when it aided him in his bid for mayor.
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ofcourse he would say that, do you want rachel to be his wife.
Renard knows how dangerous BC is, instead of contacting Meisner/the Resistance he allowed BC to take possession of his daughter. Renard told Adalind BC is in control, not them.
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remember he said both of them got no choice; what do you think would happen to him if he refuses.i understand it doesn't bode well but u cant use this as a yardstick when he's got no choice.
This is not a loving, protective father. I understand Adalind going to Renard/BC, they already have Diana. But if she'd worked with BC the way Renard has, I'd consider her the same as Renard.
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one question why is adalind not doing her own bid to stop them; send info to HW- let nick know they are coming for him- why did she just go there with the intention of protecting nick, cos she knows they want him also, get info to them telling him to go into hiding. she going to BC was no guarantee that they would leave nick alone.
yes it looks like i am defending him but his association with BC does not discount his love for his daughter.
trying to answer your quotes one by one
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - Robyn - 05-17-2016
degrimm, Adalind didn't return the Royals to help them find Diana. Adalind called Viktor because Renard told her he had given Diana to Viktor. Adalind agreed to take Nick's Grimm in exchange for Viktor allowing her to return the castle to be with Diana. It was only when she arrive that Adalind realized everyone hid tricked/lied to her about Diana's whereabouts.
If Renard's concern was Diana's safety, why did he allow BC to take her from the Resistance? It was because BC wanted Diana and he wanted to be mayor.
Consider this: Renard had already won the election before introducing Adalind and the children as his family. The pretend perfect family wasn't even used to boost his popularity with voters.
It had nothing to do with Rachael. BC wanted Adalind away from the Grimm - unless he agreed to join them.
Nick had been given more than enough information from Adalind and HW to know beforehand that he and his family were at risk. He didn't react to it. If he had he might could have prevented Adalind from going to Renard/BC. Nick knows BC is after him. His doesn't need Adalind telling him.
What method would Adalind use to get information to Nick or HW? Phone calls would be monitored. She'd never be allowed off the grounds without escort/security.
I'm repeating what I said in my prior post: degrimm, I hope your assessment of Renard turns out to be right, I'd like to see him risk himself to protect Diana from harm. I want him to remain calculative & cunning because he's so interesting, but I'd really like to witness Renard putting someone else first and risking his life.
RE: Could Diana actions change Renard's mind? - irukandji - 05-17-2016
Just a general question here. Do you believe Renard when he tells Diana he loves her? I have to say, I have a hard time believing it.