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RE: Nick - irukandji - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 10:18 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Okay, where in that description does it say Adalind knew what Juliette did, sending the email, Kelly returning to Portland and getting killed? You said it yourself, as scripted, Adalind didn't believe Juliette would ever betray Nick probably because she thought Juliette wouldn't hurt the man she loved. Obviously Adalind was wrong.
Now you're splitting hairs. The point was Adalind knew what Kenneth was up to and instead of telling Nick, she kept it to herself. If she had spoken up, Nick would have been able to save Kelly's life by warning her.
RE: Nick - rpmaluki - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:I don't think so. Adalind was convinced Kenneth would never succeed in turning Juliette against Nick. She was more than certain of Juliette coming after her. Her priority was saving the child still unborn. As far as she was aware, Kelly was well out of Kenneth’s reach. When she made the potion she was convinced Juliette would take it, both times she was wrong. She had no reason to believe otherwise, therefore in her mind there was nothing to tell. This sounds like spin to blame Adalind for Kelly's death.(10-15-2017, 10:18 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Okay, where in that description does it say Adalind knew what Juliette did, sending the email, Kelly returning to Portland and getting killed? You said it yourself, as scripted, Adalind didn't believe Juliette would ever betray Nick probably because she thought Juliette wouldn't hurt the man she loved. Obviously Adalind was wrong.
Now you're splitting hairs. The point was Adalind knew what Kenneth was up to and instead of telling Nick, she kept it to herself. If she had spoken up, Nick would have been able to save Kelly's life by warning her.
RE: Nick - dicappatore - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 10:18 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(10-15-2017, 10:09 AM)irukandji Wrote: Kenneth told her he was going to Juliette because she had information that could reveal the location of Diana. Adalind stated Kenneth would never get Juliette to betray Nick. Kenneth said he was going to tell Juliette that Adalind was carrying Nick's child. Adalind acted all indignant and stated he wouldn't, but then he told her goodbye and did exactly as he said. Adalind immediately went straight to Nick, not to tell him what Kenneth was up to, but to inform him he was the father of her baby and then offer the suppression potion in an effort to supposedly help Juliette. All that did was buy time for Kenneth and Juliette to carry out the betrayal. Adalind knew but never told Nick what she knew.Okay, where in that description does it say Adalind knew what Juliette did, sending the email, Kelly returning to Portland and getting killed? You said it yourself, as scripted, Adalind didn't believe Juliette would ever betray Nick probably because she thought Juliette wouldn't hurt the man she loved. Obviously Adalind was wrong.
Adalind did not need to know of any of those trailer burn, email, neighbors set up situations to make her scared of Juliette. She was scared of her before all that occurred. What made Adalind fear Juliette was because of her encounter she had with Juliette, at her house. What a way to find out she was a more powerful Hex. Then the statue falling at her feet kind of confirmed it.
As I recall, all that happened before she went to jail, got arrested and met Ken. As a matter of fact. When she was almost killed by the falling statue, Adalind was under the protection of Ken and was being escorted by one of his Verat goon. For Adalind to know how and when Ken was going to convince Juliette to betray Nick is ludicrous.
RE: Nick - irukandji - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 10:28 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(10-15-2017, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:I don't think so. Adalind was convinced Kenneth would never succeed in turning Juliette against Nick. She was more than certain of Juliette coming after her. Her priority was saving the child still unborn. As far as she was aware, Kelly was well out of Kenneth’s reach. When she made the potion she was convinced Juliette would take it, both times she was wrong. She had no reason to believe otherwise, therefore in her mind there was nothing to tell. This sounds like spin to blame Adalind for Kelly's death.(10-15-2017, 10:18 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Okay, where in that description does it say Adalind knew what Juliette did, sending the email, Kelly returning to Portland and getting killed? You said it yourself, as scripted, Adalind didn't believe Juliette would ever betray Nick probably because she thought Juliette wouldn't hurt the man she loved. Obviously Adalind was wrong.
Now you're splitting hairs. The point was Adalind knew what Kenneth was up to and instead of telling Nick, she kept it to herself. If she had spoken up, Nick would have been able to save Kelly's life by warning her.
Excuse her all you want, it's your opinion. I thought she was good too, until I read the script, which clearly points to what Adalind knew. Now, everything I read about how good Adalind is reverts back to, yes, but she had the opportunity to do something really important and really good and she didn't. So she betrayed Kelly right alongside Juliette. In spirit of course.
RE: Nick - rpmaluki - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 10:50 AM)irukandji Wrote:Question: why should Adalind care so much for Kelly? She went to the Royals to get her daughter back. Went after Juliette to use against Nick to get to Kelly to get her daughter back. S4 gives us an Adalind who would do anything to get her daughter back and would go to her enemy to help protect her unborn son from someone who was bent on killing her. Think what you will about Adalind and what she should have done re: Kelly I will do the same.(10-15-2017, 10:28 AM)rpmaluki Wrote:(10-15-2017, 10:22 AM)irukandji Wrote:I don't think so. Adalind was convinced Kenneth would never succeed in turning Juliette against Nick. She was more than certain of Juliette coming after her. Her priority was saving the child still unborn. As far as she was aware, Kelly was well out of Kenneth’s reach. When she made the potion she was convinced Juliette would take it, both times she was wrong. She had no reason to believe otherwise, therefore in her mind there was nothing to tell. This sounds like spin to blame Adalind for Kelly's death.(10-15-2017, 10:18 AM)rpmaluki Wrote: Okay, where in that description does it say Adalind knew what Juliette did, sending the email, Kelly returning to Portland and getting killed? You said it yourself, as scripted, Adalind didn't believe Juliette would ever betray Nick probably because she thought Juliette wouldn't hurt the man she loved. Obviously Adalind was wrong.
Now you're splitting hairs. The point was Adalind knew what Kenneth was up to and instead of telling Nick, she kept it to herself. If she had spoken up, Nick would have been able to save Kelly's life by warning her.
Excuse her all you want, it's your opinion. I thought she was good too, until I read the script, which clearly points to what Adalind knew. Now, everything I read about how good Adalind is reverts back to, yes, but she had the opportunity to do something really important and really good and she didn't. So she betrayed Kelly right alongside Juliette. In spirit of course.
RE: Nick - irukandji - 10-15-2017
Well, Adalind actually had two chances to come clean to Nick. The first time was when she went to the police station to deliver the big news to Nick.
She got a second chance right after Juliette came charging into the precinct after her. At that time she knew Kenneth had told Juliette. If he told her Adalind was having Nick's baby, then there's no reason he wouldn't have enlisted Juliette's help in betraying Nick, which had been told to Adalind.
It make me wonder if Kenneth told Adalind this, knowing she would never reveal any of it to Nick.
As for mother Kelly, I don't think Adalind cared all that much about her. She certainly didn't make any big deal over her death other than to say she was sorry. Which, of course, goes back to what she knew. The question on my mind then is, was she really sorry? Meh, probably not because she could have prevented it.
Why name the child Kelly? Adalind was never about loving memory. So why not? It's as good of a name as any other and it doesn't hurt to have Nick on her side as a result either.
RE: Nick - rpmaluki - 10-15-2017
She named the baby Kelly as a peace offering towards Nick. She wanted to start on a clean slate for her son's sake, she said as much. Adalind didn't care for mama Kelly but she wasn't gunning for her death either.
RE: Nick - irukandji - 10-15-2017
Are you saying Adalind didn't love Diana enough to kill for her?
RE: Nick - rpmaluki - 10-15-2017
(10-15-2017, 11:17 AM)irukandji Wrote: Are you saying Adalind didn't love Diana enough to kill for her?I don't need Adalind to kill in order to prove her love.
RE: Nick - Robyn - 10-15-2017
Adalind expected Juliette to come after her seeking revenge and learning Nick was the father only made it worse, but I don’t think she ever considered the possibility of Juliette turning against Nick. Adalind only took the potion to prove that it worked and wasn’t dangerous. She told Nick as much when he questioned her giving up her powers - that she was dead otherwise.
I also don’t think Adalind expected to stay with Nick and Juliette. She was only hoping he would protect her from Juliette, until after the suppressant, and protect her from the Royals. I doubt Adalind had thought far enough ahead at that point to worry about where she was going to stay before or after the baby was born. She was only looking for immediate safety.
I agree, irukandji, that Adalind informing Nick of Kenneth’s plan might have avoided much of what happened. But just as the writers didn’t have Nick and Juliette do anything that would help them work through the Hexenbiest problem, the writers didn’t have the characters do anything that would interfere with cool action scenes as Hexenbiest Juliette took a rip-roaring ride to the dark side, Nick fought her, Trubel ‘killed’ her, and the mysterious home invasion cliffhanger.