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RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Robyn - 03-20-2017
Well, if we’re bringing real life legalities into it, Adalind could say she was trying to find her kidnapped baby. There might not be much evidence on the surface, but the FBI gets involved if they suspect the child has been taken outside the state, and news coverage of three police officers and their captain kidnapping a baby that may have been fathered by one of them can’t be good. Plus there’s that pesky internet search of the getaway truck and the guy Kelly knocked out before stealing his truck. And maybe the Wesen guy working for the Royals (can't remember his name) giving a statement that he was 'trying to thwart the kidnapping' but was taken prisoner and tortured.
It would all become one big convoluted mess. There's a reason Nick and Hank select and omit facts on their police reports. Some rocks are better left unturned.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - Hell Rell - 03-20-2017
Let me be clear that I wasn't letting the scoobies off the hook for kidnapping Diana. Adalind obviously did what she did because of them handing Diana off to Kelly and making her believe the royals had her. Renard would've foreseen the possibility of Adalind being manipulated by the royals in her quest to get Diana back if he was as smart as he thinks he is.
Whether there can be legal charges brought against Adalind for raping Nick or not, there's a reason the genders wouldn't be flipped on this one. A character doing a terrible thing doesn't make them a terrible character but I feel like that's the way it's being taken in a lot of cases.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 12:00 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 11:27 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 08:49 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: But she hasn't and we have 2 episodes left.
It may never be revealed.
Nothing in this show is a true fact so nothing will be revealed as a fact. Adalind is the only cast character writers have let us hear her thoughts on the show on a topic like Kelly's father (twice) so if she is wrong does not change that she truly believes Nick is father and she is his mother but she could be wrong since people do not always believe the truth.
There is promo picture and comment in the summary for 613 that suggests that something will be happening to Kelly magical in the next two shows.
I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:00 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 11:27 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 08:49 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: But she hasn't and we have 2 episodes left.
It may never be revealed.
Nothing in this show is a true fact so nothing will be revealed as a fact. Adalind is the only cast character writers have let us hear her thoughts on the show on a topic like Kelly's father (twice) so if she is wrong does not change that she truly believes Nick is father and she is his mother but she could be wrong since people do not always believe the truth.
There is promo picture and comment in the summary for 613 that suggests that something will be happening to Kelly magical in the next two shows.
I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact or no was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
Grimm is fantasy show so characters have life-like dream and go to other dimensions and even have people come back from the dead. It was presented as fact as good or not good as any other, Adalind belief that she is mother and Nick is the father of Kelly because we heard her thoughts which not common in grimm. Of course Adalind herself could be wrong about both and many have talked about it.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 12:41 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:00 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 11:27 AM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 08:49 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: But she hasn't and we have 2 episodes left.
It may never be revealed.
Nothing in this show is a true fact so nothing will be revealed as a fact. Adalind is the only cast character writers have let us hear her thoughts on the show on a topic like Kelly's father (twice) so if she is wrong does not change that she truly believes Nick is father and she is his mother but she could be wrong since people do not always believe the truth.
There is promo picture and comment in the summary for 613 that suggests that something will be happening to Kelly magical in the next two shows.
I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact or no was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
Grimm is fantasy show so characters have life-like dream and go to other dimensions and even have people come back from the dead. It was presented as fact as good or not good as any other, Adalind belief that she is mother and Nick is the father of Kelly because we heard her thoughts which not common in grimm. Of course Adalind herself could be wrong about both and many have talked about it.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you say other than to state that when Adalind broke the news to Nick she was in a desperate situation. If the royals hadn't booted her out, she never would have broken the news to Nick. There's also the timeline of her pregnancy which, if it was geared to match Claire's pregnancy, tells me that Nick was not the father.
I truly believe that since Grimm didn't come right out and declare Nick as the father, as in stating a DNA test proved it conclusively, it's open ended. As I said before, Adalind could at any time go up to Nick and tell him he's not the father. There's nothing he can say or do because he has nothing to fall back on other than Adalind coming up to him in a desperate situation and telling him she was having his baby.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - New Guy - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 11:26 AM)Grimmbiest11 Wrote: I always find your posts entertaining, so who do you think is this version of a woman who looks like Juliette? And why do they look alike even if they aren't the same person?Hi GrimmBiest,
I am pleased that my posts are entertaining for you.
First, there was no coroner report and no death certificate so the real world proof of death does not exist.
Next, there are real world cases where "death" is questionable:
http://www.livescience.com/46418-clinical-death-definitions.html
The writers unconditionally confirmed Juliette "dead."
You posed some questions:
Quote:who do you think is this version of a woman who looks like Juliette?IMO she looks like Juliette because Bitsie Tulloch is the actress. The character who calls herself "Eve" was constructed from Juliette's corpse likely in a way similar to the being constructed by Dr. Victor Shelley, Raju, Hampton and Levy from Patrick Shelley's corpse.
Quote:why do they look alike even if they aren't the same person?As I have posted before, Juliette, Hexenette and FrankenEve are the "same person" with the same body, mind, spirit and guilt. Regardless of her physical death, coma or whatever she is guilty, she knows it but continues to insult Nick, the Scoobies and the viewers by claiming she is someone else. She cannot accept the truth and her inability to confess her heinous acts to Nick and the Scoobies makes her character all the more detestable.
IMO, the writers tried to redeem her but failed. She remains permanently infamous.
N G
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 12:50 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:41 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:00 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 11:27 AM)irukandji Wrote: It may never be revealed.
Nothing in this show is a true fact so nothing will be revealed as a fact. Adalind is the only cast character writers have let us hear her thoughts on the show on a topic like Kelly's father (twice) so if she is wrong does not change that she truly believes Nick is father and she is his mother but she could be wrong since people do not always believe the truth.
There is promo picture and comment in the summary for 613 that suggests that something will be happening to Kelly magical in the next two shows.
I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact or no was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
Grimm is fantasy show so characters have life-like dream and go to other dimensions and even have people come back from the dead. It was presented as fact as good or not good as any other, Adalind belief that she is mother and Nick is the father of Kelly because we heard her thoughts which not common in grimm. Of course Adalind herself could be wrong about both and many have talked about it.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you say other than to state that when Adalind broke the news to Nick she was in a desperate situation. If the royals hadn't booted her out, she never would have broken the news to Nick. There's also the timeline of her pregnancy which, if it was geared to match Claire's pregnancy, tells me that Nick was not the father.
I truly believe that since Grimm didn't come right out and declare Nick as the father, as in stating a DNA test proved it conclusively, it's open ended. As I said before, Adalind could at any time go up to Nick and tell him he's not the father. There's nothing he can say or do because he has nothing to fall back on other than Adalind coming up to him in a desperate situation and telling him she was having his baby.
At any time something could come to show Nick is not father blood type, wesen type etc that is not the same as Adalind not believing it. Nick is not required to do anything legally for Adalind or Kelly currently etc child support anyway which is strange for her background.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 12:54 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:50 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:41 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:00 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Nothing in this show is a true fact so nothing will be revealed as a fact. Adalind is the only cast character writers have let us hear her thoughts on the show on a topic like Kelly's father (twice) so if she is wrong does not change that she truly believes Nick is father and she is his mother but she could be wrong since people do not always believe the truth.
There is promo picture and comment in the summary for 613 that suggests that something will be happening to Kelly magical in the next two shows.
I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact or no was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
Grimm is fantasy show so characters have life-like dream and go to other dimensions and even have people come back from the dead. It was presented as fact as good or not good as any other, Adalind belief that she is mother and Nick is the father of Kelly because we heard her thoughts which not common in grimm. Of course Adalind herself could be wrong about both and many have talked about it.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you say other than to state that when Adalind broke the news to Nick she was in a desperate situation. If the royals hadn't booted her out, she never would have broken the news to Nick. There's also the timeline of her pregnancy which, if it was geared to match Claire's pregnancy, tells me that Nick was not the father.
I truly believe that since Grimm didn't come right out and declare Nick as the father, as in stating a DNA test proved it conclusively, it's open ended. As I said before, Adalind could at any time go up to Nick and tell him he's not the father. There's nothing he can say or do because he has nothing to fall back on other than Adalind coming up to him in a desperate situation and telling him she was having his baby.
At any time something could come to show Nick is not father blood type, wesen type etc that is not the same as Adalind not believing it. Nick is not required to do anything legally for Adalind or Kelly currently etc child support anyway which is strange for her background.
Adalind's a good actress. Could she convince people to believe something she herself doesn't believe? Most definitely.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - MarylikesGrimm - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 01:03 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:54 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:50 PM)irukandji Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:41 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote:(03-20-2017, 12:31 PM)irukandji Wrote: I disagree. There are many things that have been revealed as fact, one being that Adalind had a baby. What wasn't revealed as fact or no was baby Kelly's paternity. Because it has never been presented as fact, discussion about whether Kelly is Nick's is in my opinion, an appropriate discussion.
Grimm is fantasy show so characters have life-like dream and go to other dimensions and even have people come back from the dead. It was presented as fact as good or not good as any other, Adalind belief that she is mother and Nick is the father of Kelly because we heard her thoughts which not common in grimm. Of course Adalind herself could be wrong about both and many have talked about it.
I'm not disagreeing with anything you say other than to state that when Adalind broke the news to Nick she was in a desperate situation. If the royals hadn't booted her out, she never would have broken the news to Nick. There's also the timeline of her pregnancy which, if it was geared to match Claire's pregnancy, tells me that Nick was not the father.
I truly believe that since Grimm didn't come right out and declare Nick as the father, as in stating a DNA test proved it conclusively, it's open ended. As I said before, Adalind could at any time go up to Nick and tell him he's not the father. There's nothing he can say or do because he has nothing to fall back on other than Adalind coming up to him in a desperate situation and telling him she was having his baby.
At any time something could come to show Nick is not father blood type, wesen type etc that is not the same as Adalind not believing it. Nick is not required to do anything legally for Adalind or Kelly currently etc child support anyway which is strange for her background.
Adalind's a good actress. Could she convince people to believe something she herself doesn't believe? Most definitely.
Claire Coffee is an actress. How can someone lie in their mind and their thoughts?
G&K could have the last 2 years of the show be a dream and even though that has been done before.
RE: Adalind vs. Juliette/Eve - irukandji - 03-20-2017
(03-20-2017, 01:14 PM)MarylikesGrimm Wrote: Claire Coffee is an actress. How can someone lie in their mind and their thoughts?
Because the pregnancy timeline is off.