(05-06-2016, 04:28 PM)syscrash Wrote: Sean marries the mother of his daughter right before the election. A women that is not carrying a child that plenty of hospital personal know is Nick's. This is suppose to pass as good faith. It sounds more like hypocrisy, or a political stunt. How do you pull of a wedding without it being interrupted by those that would object such as Nick. It sounds like the observation is being based on the adage of "Sean is willing to make an honest women out of her". That concept went out the window with the idea of trial marriage as a reason to live together.

Quote:While the concept of making an honest woman out of her is not as popular as when I was young, it still resonates with a lot of people.

Quote:Of course it's hypocrisy and a political stunt. But how many actions that we know are political stunts have actually been popular with the public? Too many to count, I'll wager.

(05-06-2016, 05:34 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: This is Portland. A last minute marriage to the mother of your children - one of whom appears to be 12 years old - right before an election would doom you as a candidate here. Even if people didn't question the identities of your new spouse and children, the blatant hypocrisy would be a huge negative while having children out of wedlock would be a huge yawner. We don't care about your "traditional family," tell us how you're going to get the @#$% Morrison Bridge fixed.

Quote:syscrash wrote:
Politicians or now being called on their BS. When politics could control the release of information, stunts worked. Now with 24 hour news, and the internet providing instant access to all information. They don't work now a days. Now these stunts become fuel for the comics.

You see it in how politicians present themselves. They are so use to something said 10 years ago would never been brought up. Now they have to deal with every word said, is recorded and instantly accessible, and will be used against them. the last two elections coined the term flip floppier.

Sure propaganda and rhetoric still works with the uninformed, luckily the uninformed thou a large amount of the population they are of the minority.

Quote:Of course it's hypocrisy and a political stunt. But how many actions that we know are political stunts have actually been popular with the public? Too many to count, I'll wager. While the concept of making an honest woman out of her is not as popular as when I was young, it still resonates with a lot of people. Sean, the mayor, trying to do the right thing. People see and relate that to what might benefit them, such as lower taxes, or fighting for some urban cause.

Quote:I absolutely, positively was not being serious about Portland or politics here. What I was talking about was in the context of Grimm.

(05-08-2016, 07:50 PM)syscrash Wrote: Your initial statement.

Quote:Of course it's hypocrisy and a political stunt. But how many actions that we know are political stunts have actually been popular with the public? Too many to count, I'll wager. While the concept of making an honest woman out of her is not as popular as when I was young, it still resonates with a lot of people. Sean, the mayor, trying to do the right thing. People see and relate that to what might benefit them, such as lower taxes, or fighting for some urban cause.

So why respond with

Quote:I absolutely, positively was not being serious about Portland or politics here. What I was talking about was in the context of Grimm.

None of the original post was based on Grimm.

Quote:syscrash Wrote:
Sean marries the mother of his daughter right before the election. A women that is not carrying a child that plenty of hospital personal know is Nick's. This is suppose to pass as good faith. It sounds more like hypocrisy, or a political stunt. How do you pull of a wedding without it being interrupted by those that would object such as Nick. It sounds like the observation is being based on the adage of "Sean is willing to make an honest women out of her". That concept went out the window with the idea of trial marriage as a reason to live together.

Irukandui replied
Of course it's hypocrisy and a political stunt. But how many actions that we know are political stunts have actually been popular with the public? Too many to count, I'll wager. While the concept of making an honest woman out of her is not as popular as when I was young, it still resonates with a lot of people. Sean, the mayor, trying to do the right thing. People see and relate that to what might benefit them, such as lower taxes, or fighting for some urban cause.

Quote:Quote Irukandi:
While the concept of making an honest woman out of her is not as popular as when I was young, it still resonates with a lot of people.

Syscrash Responded
That is disputed by single mothers, and young teens no longer getting married. It is disputed by the idea of women choosing to be single mothers. When was the last time you heard a public figure say they have to get married because they are pregnant.

Quote Irukandji:
Of course it's hypocrisy and a political stunt. But how many actions that we know are political stunts have actually been popular with the public? Too many to count, I'll wager.

Syscrash responded
Politicians or now being called on their BS. When politics could control the release of information, stunts worked. Now with 24 hour news, and the internet providing instant access to all information. They don't work now a days. Now these stunts become fuel for the comics.


You see it in how politicians present themselves. They are so use to something said 10 years ago would never been brought up. Now they have to deal with every word said, is recorded and instantly accessible, and will be used against them. the last two elections coined the term flip floppier.

Sure propaganda and rhetoric still works with the uninformed, luckily the uninformed thou a large amount of the population they are of the minority.

Quote:Quoting syscrash wrote:
Politicians or now being called on their BS. When politics could control the release of information, stunts worked. Now with 24 hour news, and the internet providing instant access to all information. They don't work now a days. Now these stunts become fuel for the comics.

You see it in how politicians present themselves. They are so use to something said 10 years ago would never been brought up. Now they have to deal with every word said, is recorded and instantly accessible, and will be used against them. the last two elections coined the term flip floppier.

Sure propaganda and rhetoric still works with the uninformed, luckily the uninformed thou a large amount of the population they are of the minority.

To which Irukandji replied
I absolutely, positively was not being serious about Portland or politics here. What I was talking about was in the context of Grimm. In real life, Renard would never be able to run for mayor in a matter of weeks. However, Grimm is telling us he can. In real life, no one is going to buy Renard's instant family. This would apply whether he's married or not. However, the creative team at Grimm can do whatever they want. I don't know if Sean and Adalind will marry. I put out the thought since Rachel arranged for Sean to be reunited with Diana, and now that Adalind and Kelly are in the mix, I figured they might just marry.