(12-23-2015, 01:42 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Time for the Royals. For four season the royals one way or another the royals have been in the background, now in season 5 we are told they are on the backburner. Just like Juliette is dead That may as Juliette be so but they didn't say they were off the stove.

Season one we didn't know about the "ROYALS" just that a royal was in Portland so not much to really do with the "ROYALS". Then we got from Ian the insight on the 7 royals families and the verrat being behind what was happening around the world. This insight says they are trying to regain their power from say the 14 or 15 century that is my impression of the time frame of Europe royals.

In real history the Royals started having less and less power starting some time in the 1600 century and up to today.

I believe the Black Claw is being funded by the royals maybe not all but some of the families the one that comes to mind is Renard's. His family look from what we seen as having the most power inside the 7 families Now that the King is dead can't say that will hold true but appears likely. This BC group has to be funded maybe not the ones we are seeing now I think they are just cannon fodder made up of street gangs mostly but the top BC leader funds are from a royal family. The top level with the real plan hasn't been seen yet.

What would this gain the royals? They could come out with the truth (in Grimm) that they knew all about the wesen and had control over them until they lost their power. Now give the west the truth of the Crusades and everything else. Now with this complete the west under royal control and we would have another round of Crusades to take the east, this could be easier with the wesen BC groups in the east. Again we are back to why Grimms are important to Royals, can't have these BC class in the royal court can we. Now which way does Renard jump?

What do you think got a different opinion or a better one?

(12-23-2015, 05:56 PM)irukandji Wrote: I've never been interested in the royals. They're an island unto themselves, an odd lot off in another country who show up in America every now and then. Or they like to pester Adalind from time to time. They get a snap in my book for that.

But next to the council, I see them as the second most useless side story on Grimm. In thinking about it further, I'm not so sure it's their fault. They're not likeable, they're a-holes with royal blood. They have no rule, the way I understand it. Either they lost that or it was taken away from them and they want it back. They wanted Diana and they wanted Juliette, but not for good purposes it seems.

Side questiosn here, why do you suppose Grimm would make them so detestable? Are these guys going to end up the villains in this uprising? Providing they're not all murdered off first.

I actually don't see the royals funding the black claw. I think they're way too self-centered. Plus, they haven't been known as a friend to the wesen unless it's to better their purpose. I would have thought that wesen would have finished them off long ago. The only thing I can think of that might be saving them is that these royals have some kind of talisman (for lack of a better word) that prevents wesen from taking action.

I've been reading the Knights of Malta thread, along with the comments mentioning the Crusades and the Knights Templar. Very interesting threads and topics. It's a given that the Grimms would be involved in this. I'm not sure if it's been suggested, but maybe the royals were involved as well.

(12-23-2015, 05:56 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Irukandji, I think the point about the royals helping the BC is not because the royals agree with them or want to help them.

I think the royals would be helping them as a way to create troubles in the society... Them they can try to justify their return to the world power.

(12-23-2015, 07:23 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(12-23-2015, 05:56 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Irukandji, I think the point about the royals helping the BC is not because the royals agree with them or want to help them.

I think the royals would be helping them as a way to create troubles in the society... Them they can try to justify their return to the world power.

If you see the royals as helping the black claw, then what you say makes sense, Adriano. They wouldn't be helping the claw out of the kindness of their heart. There would be an ulterior motive that would benefit them.

I don't see that. To be honest, I think the Grimm writers didn't really see a necessity for continuing the royals' story. Sean flip flopped between being interested in them and not being interested in them. Right from the getgo Diana hated the king. I think that's the reason why they had Nick kill off Kenneth and then he and his cronies stormed the mansion and killed off the royal contingent. I think it's the reason they had Meisner kill the king. The royals are out of it and Diana stays in the U.S.

I could be wrong, but we're into season 5 and we don't know much more about the royals then we knew before. I mean, who's left that we know other than Victor? Is he really enough to carry an interesting story involving the royals and black claw? I'd say probably not.

I would say the majority of people would rather see Nick fight the claw in Portland rather than Victor dealing with them in whatever country the royalty calls home.

(12-23-2015, 07:23 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(12-23-2015, 05:56 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Irukandji, I think the point about the royals helping the BC is not because the royals agree with them or want to help them.

I think the royals would be helping them as a way to create troubles in the society... Them they can try to justify their return to the world power.

If you see the royals as helping the black claw, then what you say makes sense, Adriano. They wouldn't be helping the claw out of the kindness of their heart. There would be an ulterior motive that would benefit them.

I don't see that. To be honest, I think the Grimm writers didn't really see a necessity for continuing the royals' story. Sean flip flopped between being interested in them and not being interested in them. Right from the getgo Diana hated the king. I think that's the reason why they had Nick kill off Kenneth and then he and his cronies stormed the mansion and killed off the royal contingent. I think it's the reason they had Meisner kill the king. The royals are out of it and Diana stays in the U.S.

I could be wrong, but we're into season 5 and we don't know much more about the royals then we knew before. I mean, who's left that we know other than Victor? Is he really enough to carry an interesting story involving the royals and black claw? I'd say probably not.

I would say the majority of people would rather see Nick fight the claw in Portland rather than Victor dealing with them in whatever country the royalty calls home.

(12-23-2015, 09:51 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Try to say it in another way to explain myself better. I am posting opinions about the royals for the fun of it... But I don't think the writers are going to give good answers for this.

(12-23-2015, 10:51 PM)irukandji Wrote:

(12-23-2015, 09:51 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Try to say it in another way to explain myself better. I am posting opinions about the royals for the fun of it... But I don't think the writers are going to give good answers for this.

I don't think the writers will either, but for the sake of discussion, I don't mind talking about the royals.

The king is dead, most of the royal contingent is dead. We don't know about Victor. In the case of this particular royal family, it just might be belly up.

However, the way I understand these royals is that there are a total of seven(?) royal families out there, so that still leaves six.

Does anyone know, are these families all related? Are they all in a certain place or do you think they're in different countries? I have to admit, if the royal families are all bonded together in some way, it does make it easier to believe they have access to some major funds and some power. The thing that throws a wrench into all of this is the king himself. It seemed to me he was the king over this small faction with Sean and Eric and not the king over the entire seven royal families. Am I interpreting that correctly?

(12-24-2015, 08:28 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: At one time all the royal families intermarried to keep the peace. In WWI Kaiser Wilhelm and Czar Nicholas were related to Queen Victoria I think she was their Aunt. Didn't stop WWI. All the Europe royal families were connected to Austro-Hungarian Empire.

I think that was to be the point of making Austra the lead family of the 7 families. The King told Viktor the families had given him a great deal of power. I do see each Family has having a different agenda on most thing but together on the keys not so sure why they thought Diana was of any great deal to them. That is a good question only thing that comes to mind with her power would help them all but I'm thinking the King sold them a bill of goods and would have only used her power to increase his power.

We hear Nick say we are going to the Black Forest to do that means somehow they will need the 4 keys the royals have. Question how do they get them?