(08-09-2015, 08:28 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote: Hi @jsgrimm45,
I searched about Rispoli and didn’t find any information about him being Brazilian. Do you remember in what episode it was said?

I remember Brazil being mentioned two times in Grimm.
#1 - Episode 3 X 17 – Synchronicity - Kelly was coming to Brazil, São Paulo with Adelaind running from the royals.
#2 - Episode 4 X 5 – Cry Luison – the wesen of the week (the Luison) is a Blutbad cousin from South America. The wesen, in this case, was from Brazil São Paulo.

I found in grimm wiki others references:
#3 - Freddy Calvert (Rosalee’s brother) had three fake passports: ine from Canada, one from Germany and one from Brazil.
#4 - Episode 4 X 3 – The Last Fight - they read an excerpt from a Grimm diary about a happening called Matança Zumbido that was in Brazil, Village of Borba, 1921.
#5 - There was an indirect reference to Brazil in the episode 2 X 8 - The Other Side. The Grimm diary about Genio innocuo informs that the grimm was in the accompaniment of Charles Darwin on his way to the Galapagos Islands. As far as I know, Charles Darwin went through Brazil in the way to the Galapagos Islands. That grimm should have passed through Brazil too.

Considering sentences #2, #3 and #4 there are wesen in Brazil . If there are wesen, the writers can easily create a resistance cell here, for example.

Considering sentences #5 and mainly #4, there were grimm in Brazil in the past. The writers could go the way that there are grimm in Brazil nowadays. This opens many possible roads. Kelly was coming to Brazil with Adelaind so we can consider that she knows someone here. Who did Kelly know in Brazil? Was this someone a grimm or a member of resistance? If this person was a grimm, was this person member of something of grimm network? This Brazilian grimm could have one of the keys. Was the last key in Brazil? Those are possible ways the writers can go.

Considering sentences #1 and #3, Brazil is a good place to hide from the royals. Maybe there are resistance cells or connections here. Maybe it is simple easy to fake Brazilian passport. Maybe it is simply a place far from Europe, which means a good place to stay far from the royals.


You asked about connections between Brazil, Austria, Malta, Germany, and Portland. Historically I can connect Brazil to Germany: Josef Mengele, the german SS officer known by doing human experimentation during World War II, is an example that many Nazi officers ran to South America after World War II. Mengele, for example, first ran to Argentina, then to Paraguay and after to Brazil where he died. in São Paulo (Grimm likes São Paulo… ).
The writers can use those connections for a lot of possible roads.

Certainly they will not go all of them, but the possibilities exist:
$1 - Coins of Zakynthos. Hitler had the coins. The allied force took apparently 3 (of a then-suspected ten – from grimm wiki) coins. Some of the Nazy officers could have the others and could have bring the coins to South America, to Brazil for example. This would explain why Kelly was coming to Brazil with Adelaind (to hide Adelaind and try to find the other coins).
$2 – I used Mengele as example because of the other thread: the origin of the wesen. The writers can put Mengele as wesen like the first doctor (or he found documents about the origin of the wesen). Some of the documents can be in Brazil, since Megele died here.
$3 – The Nazi could have found something about the treasure during the World War II. Some document for example. Some of the Nazi officials could have bring those documents do South America.


I think the connection between Brazil and Austria goes through Germany and the World War I. Many historians use to say the two wars were just one big war. In the first one Germany and the Austria-Hungary were involved. The grimm writers can connect those historical events to the treasure or something else as they did with the coins.


The last possible connection I see is not in the show. We have our theory that Napoleon can be used in the show somehow. Maybe he was looking for the treasure, or maybe he was from the resistance and was just fighting against monarchy (He fought almost against all European royals in his time). The point is that the Portuguese royal family was one of the few that managed to ran from Napoleon. They did it coming to Brazil. They were helped by British that escorted them protecting from the French navy. The writers can use it, for example, this way: if Napoleon was trying to recover the royals keys, for example, the Portuguese could have elected as the protectors of the keys. The British helped them to come to Brazil bringing the keys putting them safe from Napoleon. With Napoleon’s death and the return of the Portuguese family to Europe, they return each key to it respective family. What if is one of the royals key still in Brazil?

Note: Kelly was running to Brazil just as the Portuguese royal Family did running from Napoleon. Here is a good place to hide… far from Europe.

Many information for burning some hair.

(08-10-2015, 06:46 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Adriano this took a lot of research thanks! You were right Rispoli and Brazil were not connect, I thought Viktor when talking about getting good reports about him had said Brazil. Likely with all talk about Brazil I just link him also. Thanks for the correction.

Kelly didn't make the plans to go to Brazil the resistance did she changed the plan. Your point about Freddy was in the resistance helping them to escape the verrat and royals. He may have got them to Brazil he may have used that passport keep in touch with his connects there. If the royals didn't' know about Brazil they do now but believe already did know like you said the Portuguese royals. Good point. I knew about Josef Mengele he was the one I was referring to in the posts about mentors.

Your point of the Portuguese royal family getting to Brazil that may be the a point we should look at. Where royals goes the verrat goes now add the SS fleeing to Brazil likely also mean verrat we know the work for both sides in WWII. So now we know that the royals, verrat, and resistance are in Brazil, and likely Grimm's. Plus you connection to Napoleon and the keys. A good connection we have to at least think the 4 royals keys are in Brazil? Again like you said that was the reason they left Europe. (I might even bet 2 cents on that.)

Now add the Malta Knights if they are an Indiana Jones type group they are in Brazil also. Brazil is fast becoming a place of interest my option to the keys maybe the coins and a place where all parties connect. To be honest I do not think Brazil had much of place in the different scenarios being posted, I just thought it was interesting how much Brazil was brought up. Your research adds more than I every thought about.

The coins good question I don't have a good answer YET.

(08-10-2015, 10:14 AM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:

(08-10-2015, 06:46 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Adriano this took a lot of research thanks! You were right Rispoli and Brazil were not connect, I thought Viktor when talking about getting good reports about him had said Brazil. Likely with all talk about Brazil I just link him also. Thanks for the correction.

Kelly didn't make the plans to go to Brazil the resistance did she changed the plan. Your point about Freddy was in the resistance helping them to escape the verrat and royals. He may have got them to Brazil he may have used that passport keep in touch with his connects there. If the royals didn't' know about Brazil they do now but believe already did know like you said the Portuguese royals. Good point. I knew about Josef Mengele he was the one I was referring to in the posts about mentors.

Your point of the Portuguese royal family getting to Brazil that may be the a point we should look at. Where royals goes the verrat goes now add the SS fleeing to Brazil likely also mean verrat we know the work for both sides in WWII. So now we know that the royals, verrat, and resistance are in Brazil, and likely Grimm's. Plus you connection to Napoleon and the keys. A good connection we have to at least think the 4 royals keys are in Brazil? Again like you said that was the reason they left Europe. (I might even bet 2 cents on that.)

Now add the Malta Knights if they are an Indiana Jones type group they are in Brazil also. Brazil is fast becoming a place of interest my option to the keys maybe the coins and a place where all parties connect. To be honest I do not think Brazil had much of place in the different scenarios being posted, I just thought it was interesting how much Brazil was brought up. Your research adds more than I every thought about.

The coins good question I don't have a good answer YET.

I haven't thought about connecting Brazil to grimm before your post. Researching to answer your threat I realized I haven’t paid attention to the connections the writers had already posted in the show: the grimm diary, the Brazilian wesen, the resistance passport, and Kelly.

Maybe it was just coincidence but the writers clearly used Brazil as a reference to the resistance and a place to hide. If the resistance had a passport to here and they planned to send Adelaind to Brazil, it is because they have connections here. This is a question: If Meisner give Diana to resistance, will they keep the original plan and send she to Brazil?
Another question: what else did the writers will hide in Brazil? The last key, some coins?
I was thinking: With just two keys Monroe found out more or less the place where the treasure is. I think it is possible that with 4 keys the royals have already found the treasure. Maybe the keys are needed just to open whatever it is. If that is true, the treasure can be anywhere far from Germany. Or not. Who knows?

(08-10-2015, 12:25 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Not knowing about São Paulo are there any appearance or climate like Portland? Lou in one of his posts says paraphrasing writers have to have create a base for a story line to work if it's to be believable. All we hear about is Vienna, Germany, Portland, and Brazil why are they laying a base for the story? @wfmyers1207 idea's on Malta and we have someone from Malta so his idea works if the writers have a Malta story line.

I don't think Brazil will be where Meisner takes LBB if he take her to the resistance (I still lean toward back to Adalind). If the resistance plans to use her against the royals will have to be Europe, and if she is Eric's daughter again has to be Europe.

Now the keys may will be in Brazil someplace likely São Paulo at a old royal mansion or church. We have to remember that the Vatican is also linked to the royals and the crusades. We have been leaving their role out of this debate. With the world today I don't see them being anything but a footnote in some book or books. We have to be so PC now days.

I also wonder if the royals made the map with their 4 keys could they get close to the treasure? I would think it would get them into the general area anyway and they will be watching that general area. If all of the this had happen in the 16 century I could see the treasure in Brazil but because it was in the 13 century I don't see how it could be.

Thoughts ideas?

(08-10-2015, 02:24 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:

(08-10-2015, 12:25 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Not knowing about São Paulo are there any appearance or climate like Portland? Lou in one of his posts says paraphrasing writers have to have create a base for a story line to work if it's to be believable. All we hear about is Vienna, Germany, Portland, and Brazil why are they laying a base for the story? @wfmyers1207 idea's on Malta and we have someone from Malta so his idea works if the writers have a Malta story line.

I don't think Brazil will be where Meisner takes LBB if he take her to the resistance (I still lean toward back to Adalind). If the resistance plans to use her against the royals will have to be Europe, and if she is Eric's daughter again has to be Europe.

Now the keys may will be in Brazil someplace likely São Paulo at a old royal mansion or church. We have to remember that the Vatican is also linked to the royals and the crusades. We have been leaving their role out of this debate. With the world today I don't see them being anything but a footnote in some book or books. We have to be so PC now days.

I also wonder if the royals made the map with their 4 keys could they get close to the treasure? I would think it would get them into the general area anyway and they will be watching that general area. If all of the this had happen in the 16 century I could see the treasure in Brazil but because it was in the 13 century I don't see how it could be.

Thoughts ideas?

It is hard to compare Portland to São Paulo since I know Portland just by the series. I think São Paulo is bigger, certainly more violent and less organized.
All Brazilian connections the writers posted in the show used São Paulo. Only the grimm diary was about another city.
I agree Brazil will not be Diana destiny. I sincerely have no idea about the writers’ intentions with her plot.
The way I think the writers can use Brazil, since they will hardly take Nick out of USA , is keep using people documents referring Brazil and São Paulo. For example: some resistance member can show up at Portland coming from Brazil. This member can tell histories about things happening here connecting to rest of the plot, like a legend about a key, or a legend about a key.
I would write, for example, a Brazilian grimm arriving in Portland with some old books and documents. A grimm from a family that had a key or know who had but the key is lost… Trubel can come to Brazil (just like went to Europe to destroy the coins) and stay some episodes far.
The most probably like and that I would like to see is about the nazi and the coins. The grimm or the resistance guy can be carrying one or more coins from Brazil.
You mentioned the Vatican. Catholic Church has a lot of internal groups, like the Jesuits. São Paulo city started as a Jesuit college to teach the Indians that lived in the place.
About the treasure, if the royals found it, I would write that it come to Brazil with the Portuguese running from Napoleon. A royal family would hardly trust only another royal to transport such a precious treasure.

(08-10-2015, 03:12 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The idea on someone coming from Brazil works could even be Ian he owes Nick and if he came across something he thought a Grimm should know likely may even send it to Rosalee. We don't know where he went when he left Portland and Brazil with it resistance connection may be a safe place.

Trubel again we how come back to Chavez or Bill that also could work so both those might give us some answers.

The Vatican also has a lot of secrets they have been around for it all I could believe they know something. Putting the other 7 coins in Brazil under church control maybe could or would Grimm's be with the Jesuits. I'm not up on the church but weren't the Jesuits also at times fighters beside teachers? One of the books I read had a Jesuit as good with a sword as the teaching it was a fiction so not sure how much to read into the order. Good ideas putting the coins and the keys back into play and again a correct history to back it up.

(08-10-2015, 03:45 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:

(08-10-2015, 03:12 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The idea on someone coming from Brazil works could even be Ian he owes Nick and if he came across something he thought a Grimm should know likely may even send it to Rosalee. We don't know where he went when he left Portland and Brazil with it resistance connection may be a safe place.

Trubel again we how come back to Chavez or Bill that also could work so both those might give us some answers.

The Vatican also has a lot of secrets they have been around for it all I could believe they know something. Putting the other 7 coins in Brazil under church control maybe could or would Grimm's be with the Jesuits. I'm not up on the church but weren't the Jesuits also at times fighters beside teachers? One of the books I read had a Jesuit as good with a sword as the teaching it was a fiction so not sure how much to read into the order. Good ideas putting the coins and the keys back into play and again a correct history to back it up.

I don’t like to use churches and religion in stories and fantasies because many people don’t understand. You can consider Dan Brown books for example. But grimm use crusades, a specific religious/catholic/Christian event. IT would be natural to consider Catholic Church and its secrets in the plot.
I don’t know much about the Jesuits. I searched the net and I found something interesting
http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2013/03/economist-explains-who-are-jesuits-exactly
In this link it is said the Jesuits was called “soldiers of Christ”. It is because Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the order, was a Spanish former soldier. Just for curiosity, Pope Francis is Jesuit.

I real like to use real history to support fantasy stories. It makes things more fun, more reliable and the connections more interesting. For example… If grimm was real life, the Europeans would not come to America without at least one or two grimms in the ship. Take the example of Darwin that in the show asked for help from a grimm. The Jesuits can perfectly be the grimm helpers.

(08-10-2015, 04:08 PM)wfmyers1207 Wrote:

(08-10-2015, 03:45 PM)Adriano Neres Rodrigues Wrote:

(08-10-2015, 03:12 PM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: The idea on someone coming from Brazil works could even be Ian he owes Nick and if he came across something he thought a Grimm should know likely may even send it to Rosalee. We don't know where he went when he left Portland and Brazil with it resistance connection may be a safe place.

Trubel again we how come back to Chavez or Bill that also could work so both those might give us some answers.

The Vatican also has a lot of secrets they have been around for it all I could believe they know something. Putting the other 7 coins in Brazil under church control maybe could or would Grimm's be with the Jesuits. I'm not up on the church but weren't the Jesuits also at times fighters beside teachers? One of the books I read had a Jesuit as good with a sword as the teaching it was a fiction so not sure how much to read into the order. Good ideas putting the coins and the keys back into play and again a correct history to back it up.

I don’t like to use churches and religion in stories and fantasies because many people don’t understand. You can consider Dan Brown books for example. But grimm use crusades, a specific religious/catholic/Christian event. IT would be natural to consider Catholic Church and its secrets in the plot.
I don’t know much about the Jesuits. I searched the net and I found something interesting
http://www.economist.com/blogs/newsbook/2013/03/economist-explains-who-are-jesuits-exactly
In this link it is said the Jesuits was called “soldiers of Christ”. It is because Ignatius Loyola, the founder of the order, was a Spanish former soldier. Just for curiosity, Pope Francis is Jesuit.

I real like to use real history to support fantasy stories. It makes things more fun, more reliable and the connections more interesting. For example… If grimm was real life, the Europeans would not come to America without at least one or two grimms in the ship. Take the example of Darwin that in the show asked for help from a grimm. The Jesuits can perfectly be the grimm helpers.

I am Catholic and it happens I went to Jesuit schools. They are a strange dichotomy. Called "soldiers of Christ" because of their defense of the Church, yet they are often the ones who challenge the Church's beliefs. (They were on Galileo's side at first. Till they thought he had stolen one their orders work! More to that story than most people here about in history books!)

For example, I was taught evolution by a Jesuit priest in the 1960's. Although the Church did not forbid that at the time, it was considered contraversial from a religious point of view. And the order has been banned a couple of times over the centuries for basically telling the Vatican to get stuffed.

And yet one well regarded historian, Will Durant, referred to them as the "Church's Shock Troops"!