(05-16-2016, 04:01 PM)syscrash Wrote: Adalind has always aligned herself with the winning side. She has always aligned herself with someone of power. IMO comments keep trying to judge and evaluate hexenbeist actions and motives based on human expectations. Hexenbiest are simple, everything they do is based on desire. Ramifications, consequences, others perceptions are things that do not exist in hexenbiest thinking. Example a hexenbiest action would be. walk by a car lot see a car. walk in charm the salesman and drive away. You piss off a hexenbiest they seek revenge. People keep wanting to qualify the actions based on a relation. Such as it was Nick mom and she trusted Juliette. The hexenbiest could not care less who you are. They see it as I am pissed you will pay in the worse way I can think of. Of course using societies expectation these actions would be seen as evil. The problem is they are not being evil that are just being a hexenbiest.All individuals are responsible for their decisions and actions. There are no exceptions. A criminal act is a crime. The same rules apply to all individuals, kershite, blutbad, hexenbiest or grimm. A hexenbiest that decides to do an evil act is evil, true justice must be blind to prejudice. True justice holds every individual accountable for their acts.
05-16-2016, 05:46 PM
(05-16-2016, 05:03 PM)New Guy Wrote:(05-16-2016, 04:01 PM)syscrash Wrote: Adalind has always aligned herself with the winning side. She has always aligned herself with someone of power. IMO comments keep trying to judge and evaluate hexenbeist actions and motives based on human expectations. Hexenbiest are simple, everything they do is based on desire. Ramifications, consequences, others perceptions are things that do not exist in hexenbiest thinking. Example a hexenbiest action would be. walk by a car lot see a car. walk in charm the salesman and drive away. You piss off a hexenbiest they seek revenge. People keep wanting to qualify the actions based on a relation. Such as it was Nick mom and she trusted Juliette. The hexenbiest could not care less who you are. They see it as I am pissed you will pay in the worse way I can think of. Of course using societies expectation these actions would be seen as evil. The problem is they are not being evil that are just being a hexenbiest.All individuals are responsible for their decisions and actions. There are no exceptions. A criminal act is a crime. The same rules apply to all individuals, kershite, blutbad, hexenbiest or grimm. A hexenbiest that decides to do an evil act is evil, true justice must be blind to prejudice. True justice holds every individual accountable for their acts. this is true...so tell me how on earth do you deal with a child with such great power ..who has killed in cold blood how do you give her justice???.......I have to say this child knows alot of things that a human child does not know..Sex, Making voodoo dolls, and most importantly kill someone with out remorse or empathy
05-16-2016, 05:47 PM
Quote:All individuals are responsible for their decisions and actions. There are no exceptions. A criminal act is a crime. The same rules apply to all individuals, kershite, blutbad, hexenbiest or grimm. A hexenbiest that decides to do an evil act is evil, true justice must be blind to prejudice. True justice holds every individual accountable for their acts.That is 100% correct in the real world. Rules that you continually use to judge the show. But Grimm is not the real world, part of the characters are what they are and their natural instincts. Up to this point the show has been wesen trying to hide. So many arguments us, since Monroe does not give in then all wesen should not give in. They see Monroe as proof of their instincts being a choice. They over look Monroe is in a constant battle, to not give in a battle he has lost a few times. His anger rises and his fangs come out. The exact reason Rosalee did not tell him about Tony. With BC they advocate for wesen to be able to be themselves. The show, from the very beginning has distorted responsibility and consequence. It is the only way you could have characters with fangs and claws. When you give characters the ability to ripe someones throat out. You automatically ramp the simplest disagreement into a deadly situation. It is interesting how people want to find holes in the show, when the holes exist becuase the situation could not possible exist. If you could fill the holes it would be real.
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(05-16-2016, 05:46 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:Hi Kat,(05-16-2016, 05:03 PM)New Guy Wrote:(05-16-2016, 04:01 PM)syscrash Wrote: Adalind has always aligned herself with the winning side. She has always aligned herself with someone of power. IMO comments keep trying to judge and evaluate hexenbeist actions and motives based on human expectations. Hexenbiest are simple, everything they do is based on desire. Ramifications, consequences, others perceptions are things that do not exist in hexenbiest thinking. Example a hexenbiest action would be. walk by a car lot see a car. walk in charm the salesman and drive away. You piss off a hexenbiest they seek revenge. People keep wanting to qualify the actions based on a relation. Such as it was Nick mom and she trusted Juliette. The hexenbiest could not care less who you are. They see it as I am pissed you will pay in the worse way I can think of. Of course using societies expectation these actions would be seen as evil. The problem is they are not being evil that are just being a hexenbiest.All individuals are responsible for their decisions and actions. There are no exceptions. A criminal act is a crime. The same rules apply to all individuals, kershite, blutbad, hexenbiest or grimm. A hexenbiest that decides to do an evil act is evil, true justice must be blind to prejudice. True justice holds every individual accountable for their acts. There is a process, "Trial as an Adult" available: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_as_an_adult Quote:There are four main processes by which juvenile defendants can be transferred to criminal court:For Grimm, there could be such a process through the Wesen Council, if it resurrects. There are also the courts of Grimm (Nick), HW and BC. These fantasy "courts" may be what Renard has in mind when he says "The Kehrseite have had this world for too long, and they've ruined it. Our world will be more violent, more primitive, but that is the only way to true progress." IMO, there are a variety of methods to "deal with" a juvenile such as Diana. If Dianna (LBB) red sheeted Rachel to death, then she is guilty of murder. It is up to the Kershite, Grimm, HW or BC "courts" to determine a final verdict and carry out any sentence. So far, Nick and the Scoobies have been able to outsmart or overpower any Wesen the writers cook up. LBB will be a challenge, but I am predicting Team Scoobie shall again prevail. New Guy
05-16-2016, 07:14 PM
Quote:there are a variety of methods to "deal with" a juvenile such as Diana. If Dianna (LBB) red sheeted Rachel to death, then she is guilty of murder. It is up to the Kershite, Grimm, HW or BC "courts" to determine a final verdict and carry out any sentence. Diana has illusion, the ability to manipulate, plus pure power. How would you ever contain anyone that has the ability to manipulate people. Even Eve you put her in jail. She simple grads the keys or pushes the release button from in her cell. Why I have always said she stayed at HW because she wants to not because she could not leave. Even Juliette said the only reason she is in jail is because she let them. Just the ability to sense people would make a hexenbiest hard to capture. IMO Trubel shooting Juliette was only possible because Juliette let her.
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05-16-2016, 09:32 PM
(05-16-2016, 05:46 PM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote:Sorry to burst everyones bubble but Diane is the way she is because she is the Head of Black Claw. Didn't see that coming did ya.(05-16-2016, 05:03 PM)New Guy Wrote:(05-16-2016, 04:01 PM)syscrash Wrote: Adalind has always aligned herself with the winning side. She has always aligned herself with someone of power. IMO comments keep trying to judge and evaluate hexenbeist actions and motives based on human expectations. Hexenbiest are simple, everything they do is based on desire. Ramifications, consequences, others perceptions are things that do not exist in hexenbiest thinking. Example a hexenbiest action would be. walk by a car lot see a car. walk in charm the salesman and drive away. You piss off a hexenbiest they seek revenge. People keep wanting to qualify the actions based on a relation. Such as it was Nick mom and she trusted Juliette. The hexenbiest could not care less who you are. They see it as I am pissed you will pay in the worse way I can think of. Of course using societies expectation these actions would be seen as evil. The problem is they are not being evil that are just being a hexenbiest.All individuals are responsible for their decisions and actions. There are no exceptions. A criminal act is a crime. The same rules apply to all individuals, kershite, blutbad, hexenbiest or grimm. A hexenbiest that decides to do an evil act is evil, true justice must be blind to prejudice. True justice holds every individual accountable for their acts.
05-16-2016, 10:14 PM
If Diana is the head of black claw why is she not concerned about what is going on. She is only concerned about what is happening to her parents.
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05-17-2016, 04:48 AM
(05-16-2016, 10:14 PM)syscrash Wrote: If Diana is the head of black claw why is she not concerned about what is going on. She is only concerned about what is happening to her parents. It is a smoke screen. How else can you explain why she let Nick's mom be killed and Meisner's people she allowed to be murdered. Also she could have prevented being taken by black claw but seems to have embraced her new situation quite well. I guess we all get to see what happens this friday.
05-17-2016, 09:43 AM
(05-17-2016, 04:48 AM)tom b Wrote:If we consider Diana a hexenbiest child, even one that is a powerfully enhanced hexenbiest, she’s still a child. And this child has been taken by various factions and left with strangers on multiple occasions. Couldn’t this simply be emotional detachment and dissociation?(05-16-2016, 10:14 PM)syscrash Wrote: If Diana is the head of black claw why is she not concerned about what is going on. She is only concerned about what is happening to her parents. She didn’t intervene when people she was with were killed because she doesn’t have an emotional bond with anyone. Her view of Kelly could have been - that one’s gone I’ll go with this new one. Her view of the latest people keeping her could have been - if they’re gone now I’ll go with these new people. If there’s no emotional bond with anyone why would she care who’s dead and who she’s with. Consider her lack of reaction when Adalind or Sean say I love you. Although she appears to be happy and excited to be with them, her response to I love you is a blank expression, as though she completely disconnects from the moment. It may hold no real meaning for her.
05-17-2016, 10:04 AM
(05-17-2016, 09:43 AM)Robyn Wrote:(05-17-2016, 04:48 AM)tom b Wrote:If we consider Diana a hexenbiest child, even one that is a powerfully enhanced hexenbiest, she’s still a child. And this child has been taken by various factions and left with strangers on multiple occasions. Couldn’t this simply be emotional detachment and dissociation?(05-16-2016, 10:14 PM)syscrash Wrote: If Diana is the head of black claw why is she not concerned about what is going on. She is only concerned about what is happening to her parents. @Robyn i really won't go there; some kids say i love you", others don't cos they believe their parents know you love them or some just play a little "mummy and daddy girl" and accept it, so doesn't matter; if she was emotionally disconnected from them i dont believe she would care whether they get together or not or whether they sleep together or not |
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