12-15-2017, 01:20 AM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017, 02:14 AM by rpmaluki.)
I can't see Nick telling Kelly about Zerstörer without telling the grownups first. I think Nick must have told Adalind and his friends what really happened sooner rather than later and Kelly must have overheard something about it as a child and probably begged his father to hear the story from him since everyone, including Diana knew. As a child growing he wouldn't want to be left out of the big family victory over the big bad evil Zerstörer. Kelly, in all likelihood didn't grow up ignorant of the hidden wesen world like Nick all because of his mother and sister and Nick's friends. He is technically a half Zauberbiest, I don't know if the Grimm cancels out the wesen DNA because the show never fully addressed it, so even if he wasn't a Grimm, he'd have knowledge of how the world is and and the role Grimms played in the grand scheme of things and knowing how his own descendants are potential Grimms.
As harrowing as the Zerstörer story is, considering all the killings, it's still one of truimph for Nick and a son who's clearly enamoured with his father (he did sound rather proud when he was writing in the book) isn't going to be scared off for long. Plus wesen children are induced into the true nature of the world they live in just as they hit puberty and considering how Kelly's grandmother was raised, trained from a very early age to kill wesen, it's not about cruelty at all but rather preparation for an eventuality. Monroe had to fill in a lot of Grimm gaps for Nick because Marie wasn't there to do so and had gone out of her way to hide Nick's heritage in the hopes that he wouldn't become a Grimm once he turned, it was too late. She was dying and couldn't do more than to tell him to hunt the "bad ones". Kelly has a very different upbringing by comparison, to hide the reality of what Grimms/wesen are is potentially foolish, especially for a child of two opposing forces in the world which could make him a target for zealots on both sides of the fence.
The Grimm universe is much more violent than our regular human one in that you have a subset species that live outside of the establish human societal norms, particular when those that go out of their to practice the more violent habits/taking advantage of their hidden nature to commit violent crimes against their own species as well as humans flout rules and laws, human and wesen established. Obviously you have those who are wholly law abiding citizens but I'm not referring to them. It's natural or should be natural to inform/train up a child so they are well prepared when they come of age. The humans in this Grimm universe go about their lives much like ours where nothing extraordinary is happening at all. To them a violent crime is just that or an animal attack depending on the nature of the kills until they get a glimpse of the real world and it either drives them mad (I don't mean in the literal sense only but having those around them also consider them mad for talking about impossible things) or they adjust but they likely make up a very small percentage of this enlightened society, which begs the question, do people like Hank (strictly human) pass down their knowledge of the wesen world to their children or do they take the secrets to the grave? It makes sense take the secret to the grave rather than burden their kids with something they may never get to experience first hand (seeing a wesen with their own eyes).
Yeah, I don't see Nick not telling the gang what happened, although Kelly's comment about some calling the story a fairy tale suggest that perhaps some of them found it a bit hard to swallow.
I do imagine that if Nick first told Kelly the tale when he was a child it started out as a "once upon a time" that glossed over the more gory parts, and became more detailed and explicit in the retelling as Kelly grew up.
(12-15-2017, 02:49 AM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: Yeah, I don't see Nick not telling the gang what happened, although Kelly's comment about some calling the story a fairy tale suggest that perhaps some of them found it a bit hard to swallow.
I do imagine that if Nick first told Kelly the tale when he was a child it started out as a "once upon a time" that glossed over the more gory parts, and became more detailed and explicit in the retelling as Kelly grew up.
I can see that. As a young child, he gets the Disney-fied version of the "fairytales". Diana was in possession of a Brother's Grimm book before BC kidnapped her and killed her foster parents, they could use the same tactic to break him into the wesen world slowly and only as he gets older the tales become facts that won't shock him.
12-15-2017, 05:35 AM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017, 06:14 AM by irukandji.)
Nick decides one day to relate the fairytale of the Zerstorer to Kelly. Then after telling the story over and over and over again, he decided Kelly is old enough to know the truth and so proceeds to tell the story with the gory details. It wouldn't be an explanation I would support as I don't see Nick trivializing his work as a grim. But it works for you.
Telling the scoobies and having them believe him is another thing all together. I don't see how it can be done.
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How would they not believe him he has Diania to back up his story and Bonapartes evil cursed ring has disappeared from Adalinds finger. A magical staff just appeared in front of them in the living room and Diana and Nick are acting strange.
The Grimm Bros' stories contain lots of grisly acts, but they don't relate them in enough detail to make them slasher porn. Just because you don't describe in graphic detail the bone crunching and blood squirting that accompanies a beheading doesn't mean you've "trivialized" it.
There are only two people that know the zestorer story. that is Nick and Diana. everyone else died meaning there knowledge was reset. Even Trubel did not remember even though she was brought back after dying. I could see how Nick would be reluctant to tell everyone that he saw them die. The other thing how does Nick explain it. For one he was there but has no idea exactly what happened. Even the part before time reset. Diana say saw mari and Kelly Trubel did not.
I could see that it was Diana that told Kelly the story. Kelly was there, he saw a lot of what happened. He was just to young to understand. That does not mean he might not have started having dreams about what he had saw. Diana being his sister he may have confided in her. The big question is why twenty years later does he make the entry in the book. The delay could be that Nick did not want the others to know that they had died. Kelly is recounting the story know because Nick is no longer around. From the books the life span of a grimm is not that long. Considering they go from one battle to another that makes since.
Considering that the entire series showed that anyone associated to a Grimm would be on constant danger. It would make since for Nick to do like his mom and then his aunt. Isolate from the ones he knows to protect them. That was the entire theme of the show. Grimm and family do not mix. It started with Juliette being in constant danger. then it was Adalind in danger.
12-15-2017, 06:11 PM (This post was last modified: 12-15-2017, 06:16 PM by irukandji.)
(12-15-2017, 06:23 AM)Henry of green Wrote: How would they not believe him he has Diania to back up his story and Bonapartes evil cursed ring has disappeared from Adalinds finger. A magical staff just appeared in front of them in the living room and Diana and Nick are acting strange.
They all knew about the Zerstorer and his staff so there would be no explanation for that. What I'm talking about is the fact that they all died that night and Nick brought them back to life. As syscrash said, it took 20 years for this story to surface. Why would that be? Was Nick afraid to tell them all that they had died?
(12-15-2017, 01:47 PM)FaceInTheCrowd Wrote: The Grimm Bros' stories contain lots of grisly acts, but they don't relate them in enough detail to make them slasher porn. Just because you don't describe in graphic detail the bone crunching and blood squirting that accompanies a beheading doesn't mean you've "trivialized" it.
I wasn't talking about the Grimm brothers. I was talking about Disney and the thought that perhaps Nick was giving Kelly the Disney version of the Zerstorer story.
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