01-19-2016, 07:56 PM
Juliette had plenty of motivation, she was pissed. She had lost everything she loved, even herself.
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01-19-2016, 07:56 PM
Juliette had plenty of motivation, she was pissed. She had lost everything she loved, even herself.
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01-20-2016, 07:15 AM
(01-19-2016, 07:56 PM)syscrash Wrote: Juliette had plenty of motivation, she was pissed. She had lost everything she loved, even herself. But without a background, the only thing they could do with Juliette's character was have her betray Kelly and work for the royals. No one seemed surprised that Juliette would even go that route and that's what I'm saying. Grimm never developed her character.
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01-20-2016, 01:49 PM
We do have back ground on Juliette's response when pissed. We have seen she does not get scared and run away and hide, she gets even. She took on the ogre not even knowing what he was. She took on Alicia's boy friend. That was just plain anger. Even Nick commented It is not me you need to be afraid of.
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01-20-2016, 02:02 PM
(01-20-2016, 01:49 PM)syscrash Wrote: We do have back ground on Juliette's response when pissed. We have seen she does not get scared and run away and hide, she gets even. She took on the ogre not even knowing what he was. She took on Alicia's boy friend. That was just plain anger. Even Nick commented It is not me you need to be afraid of. She ran away and hid upstairs when Kelly was being killed. What's the background on that?
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01-20-2016, 03:45 PM
Juiette did not run an hide up stairs, she did not want involvement in the actual kidnapping of Diana. She had much motivation for helping to take Diana. The biggest is it would hurt Adalind to the bottom of her core. As we saw, Juliette having Diana was the one thing that really upset Adalind. The comments about Juliette betraying her friends. Remember at this point Juliette is feeling so betrayed she could care less what happens to them. In fact the more hurt see can inflict the better. The show went to great lengths to provide motivation for Juliette's anger. From everyone rejecting her change and only wanting the old Juliette back. To the one thing that would send any women over the age. Your fiance is having a baby with your worst enemy, and then to have your fiance choose the baby momma over you. After all this It amazes me how so many think Juliette should have been understanding for the child's benefit. Turn the other check is an admiral quality, it is not a realistic response.
We all say things about wanting to do something to someone that has made us mad. Juliette acted on those impulses.
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01-20-2016, 06:57 PM
(01-20-2016, 03:45 PM)syscrash Wrote: Juiette did not run an hide up stairs, she did not want involvement in the actual kidnapping of Diana. She had much motivation for helping to take Diana. The biggest is it would hurt Adalind to the bottom of her core. As we saw, Juliette having Diana was the one thing that really upset Adalind. The comments about Juliette betraying her friends. Remember at this point Juliette is feeling so betrayed she could care less what happens to them. In fact the more hurt see can inflict the better. The show went to great lengths to provide motivation for Juliette's anger. From everyone rejecting her change and only wanting the old Juliette back. To the one thing that would send any women over the age. Your fiance is having a baby with your worst enemy, and then to have your fiance choose the baby momma over you. After all this It amazes me how so many think Juliette should have been understanding for the child's benefit. Turn the other check is an admiral quality, it is not a realistic response. I'm not arguing that Juliette lost in this. What I'm arguing is that, if she had a detailed backstory, like the other characters, she might not come off as the bitch from hell in all of this. We don't know the extent of Juliette's powers, but I like the idea of a story where she conjures up and plants the fake head, knocks out all of the royals and their guards, releases Kelly in some far off land, and takes off with Diana to raise her as her own child. It's a big naa, naa, naa, naa, naa to Adalind and a kiss old Rose to Nick. Juliette gets even and goes out in style. I can't fault her for wanting to care for Diana. She seemed to get along well with her. But the fact is, we saw her sitting up in the bedroom, hearing what appeared to be Kelly's death outside, and leaving Diana to face it all. It appears Juliette was too cowardly to finish what she started. We know Nick's family, Monroe's family, Rosalee's family, even the dweeb Adalind's family. Juliette's family? Never heard of them. Without a family and without a detailed backstory, Juliette is just a disposable character. It's not hard to believe her as evil because we never saw her do enough good to make a difference.
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(01-19-2016, 07:56 PM)syscrash Wrote: Juliette had plenty of motivation, she was pissed. She had lost everything she loved, even herself.Hi Syscrash, Juliette wanted Nick to regain his Grimm abilities. She and Nick discussed the risks and agreed to proceed. No one (other than possibly Elizabeth) knew Juliette would be infected with Hexenitis. When Juliette first saw her Hexenface in the mirror, she screamed. The face of a decaying corpse is hideous. Even she was appalled by it. She wanted to be cured, but became frustrated and angry that no one could help her. She failed to recognize the fact that she agreed to the procedure and is partly responsible for the outcome. Juliette didn't "lose" everything. She threw it all away. She betrayed everyone who cared for her. She became an amoral slut. She became an arsonist and a homicidal maniac. She did all of these by her own choice. The high point of Grimm was when Trubel killed Hexenette to save Nick's life. The low point was when this Eve thing showed up. The existence of Eve makes death meaningless. Eve is proof that trust, morals, ethics, and civility are meaningless in Grimm. New Guy (01-21-2016, 05:43 AM)New Guy Wrote: Juliette didn't "lose" everything. She threw it all away. I disagree. Juliette was not the character who had 'everything'. She had much less to work with than the other characters. Even her house all of the sudden became Nick's house. No one can figure out how that happened. The character of Juliette was shot in the foot from day one. It's not hard to get to hate a character that doesn't have much to her in the way of backstory.
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01-21-2016, 07:12 AM
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(01-21-2016, 05:50 AM)irukandji Wrote:(01-21-2016, 05:43 AM)New Guy Wrote: Juliette didn't "lose" everything. She threw it all away. This is I view what the writers did to the character... In one day she had a house... In the it was Nick's In one day she had a job... In the other he hadn't it any more. Since... Her boss didn't look for her.... Her job friends didn't called for her... the people that use to trust their little pets to her didn't ask for her... In one day she had friends... In the other... Where is that wesen friend that she and Nick helped with the violent boyfriend? In one day she had the cellphone of mommy and dad.... In other... There were no relative to ask for her or to help her... she had no friend in the neighborhood since no one missed her. No one out of Nick's friends visited her in the prision. I forgot Kenneth... But that was by interest, not because of her... I think the list is bigger but I will stop here.... Now season five... The writers took from her her name.... She also lost all connection with her past (only memories, but she is a new character... That is what is being said...). And the HW did all of this not because they care about her... But just like the royals... They want to use her powers... It is interest... Nothing more... Sorry.... But I can't see this as development of the character... And neither as a redemption... Or anything like that...
01-21-2016, 07:18 AM
Hi Irukandji,
Regarding: Quote:Even her house all of the sudden became Nick's house. No one can figure out how that happened.As I have presented before, if the deed was "Joint Tenancy With Right of Survivorship" then Nick could not sell the house without Juliette's witnessed signature or a valid Death Certificate. Based on what information Grimm has provided, that would be impossible. Therefore, Nick owned the house outright. I agree, Juliette did not have "everything." She did have an education, a professional career and the lead character who loved her and proposed marriage. She threw all of those things away. She replaced them with hatred, betrayal, immorality and violence. She made it clear in 4.20: Quote:J: Do I look like I need anybody's help?A "backstory" is not needed to understand why Hexenette was hated and rejected. No civilized society would accept such behavior. She has no excuse. She is responsible for all her vile acts. The death of Hexenette in 4.22 was a proper consequence. Creating the Eve thing does not remove any guilt. Creating Eve is as foul and disgusting as all the despicable things she did. Eve deserves only scorn and contempt. I expect many this forum will agree. Others will go along with how "Intriguing" Eve is. Barf! New Guy |
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