(05-29-2016, 06:52 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: When Hank was being held the woman said Nick was one of them and would turn on him. So now was that true and Grimm's human or a breed of wesen?
Nick is human but has all the trappings of a wesen.(meaning strength....remember Miesner and Conrad boast that they need Grimms to filter out wesen that do not agree with their new world order and that's why they exist.
As far as Conrad was concern Nick was a different human so he fit in the wesen world
05-29-2016, 11:00 AM (This post was last modified: 05-29-2016, 06:11 PM by Hell Rell.)
(05-29-2016, 06:52 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: When Hank was being held the woman said Nick was one of them and would turn on him. So now was that true and Grimm's human or a breed of wesen?
I've been thinking about this as well. The series hasn't given us a clear answer. It would appear that Grimms are human with the power of a Wesen. They've been shown to have extra strength, durability, and an innate fighting ability. Nick also has super hearing and a high tolerance to the toxicity of the Coins of Zakynthos. I'm sure all Grimms have that last ability since his mother handled the coins.
We now have the Grimm lineage book so I'm hoping they go into the origins of Grimm. I'd like to see the origins of Wesen but I'll settle for just Hexenbiests since their woged form is that of a corpse. They're one of the few Wesen who don't woge into an animal. The only other Wesen I can think of that doesn't have an animal form is the Excandesco. I've stated before that I think there is a connection between Grimms and Hexenbiests but admittedly have no proof to back it up.
Here is an easy way to do this for the writers. Most non-Africans have 3% Neanderthal genes. Just have Grimms a partially inbred group who have a higher percentage of Neanderthal genes, thus explaining the prodigious strength and possibly the innate fighting abilities. It could all just be genetic.
I know the Grimm Wiki says that grimms have superhuman strength and fighting abilities, but I've never heard that actually said on the show, and when Nick and Hank have to go hand-to-hand in fights, it doesn't appear to me as if Nick does any better than Hank against a similar adversary. So I wonder how many powers grimms really have, other than the ability to see wesen in woge, and how much of their prowess is just the result of training and experience.
05-29-2016, 11:19 PM (This post was last modified: 05-29-2016, 11:20 PM by syscrash.)
When the show talked about Nick being wesen they mean he is part of the wesen community. Unlike Hank who never will be part of the community. Here is a question. Is Eve and Wu also part of that community. Eve Identifies as hexenbiest. But I am not sure even if Adalind identifies as wesen. Is it khersite and wesen. with wesen covering anything supernatural and Khersite including royals. or is it khersite, wesen, grimm, royals, hexen/zauber biest. and other.
BC definitely considered Adalind wesen. Eve and Wu are interesting questions, becaise Juliette wasn't born wesen. Wu's NeanderWu state would probably be rejected out of hand by Bonaparte, but other wesen might not be so picky.
I'd guess that the royals would be close to the top of BC's hate list, since they have centuries of history exploiting wesen.
And my comparison of Nick and Hank as fighters was not meant to suggest that Hank was part of the community, but to question whether Nick as a grimm really has any other special powers beyond the ability to see wesen. Because I just don't see that on the screen at all.
Interesting question on Nick strength as a Grimm. We seen that he can pretty much go up against any wesen and win and even more than one. So should we guess that somehow a Grimm draws from the wesen they are fighting? In the first season Monroe in the cage fight told Nick to draw from his ancestors like somehow that which did make a difference.
(05-30-2016, 06:13 AM)jsgrimm45 Wrote: Interesting question on Nick strength as a Grimm. We seen that he can pretty much go up against any wesen and win and even more than one. So should we guess that somehow a Grimm draws from the wesen they are fighting? In the first season Monroe in the cage fight told Nick to draw from his ancestors like somehow that which did make a difference.
On observation, the fight choreography on Grimm is very, very, very inconsistent. Somewhere in this forum I made commentary on one of Nick's fights,(I think with Kenneth). In that Nick displayed a level of skill, a few mistakes but a decent showing.
Then I saw this clip of him fighting some dude who has a short sword and Nick has this stupid Double headed axe...it is the most ludicrous weapon in the first place (no one who knew anything about fighting would willing take that piece of crap into a fight unless the had nothing else). And Nick's use of the weapon makes you think he simply has no clue. Fortunately for him his opponent seems mentally retarded also. I think the clip is from the Season 5 finale. The guy ends up shooting Nick. But if the guy knew anything about bladed weapons that fight would have been over quickly with one very dead Grimm the result. That was some of the worst fight choreography I have seen in a long, long time.
My point is, I don't think we can judge anything about Nick's strength or fighting prowess by .what we are seeing as the choreography is to inconsistent
Hank's an efficient fighting machine. Nick displaying the ability he should have would have made Juliette in season 5 redundant and she was born a hexenbiest. Nick is a Grimm who can absorb wesen abilities. This would mark him as the uberGrimm. It also says Grimm aren't wesen, but were created in a similar fashion. By? Hexenbiests.
