05-01-2016, 02:57 PM
05-01-2016, 03:29 PM
(05-01-2016, 02:57 PM)tscchope Wrote:(05-01-2016, 02:47 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: That was probably the moment when Juliette realized she had backed the wrong horse.That was the moment Juliette realized she could have her cake and eat it. Frederick does like his hexenbiests and doesn't have a queen around to stop him. So basically, you're saying you'd be okay with a lecherous old creep putting the moves on you 24/7 who'd also willingly leave you for the wolves if another, prettier Hexenbiest ("pretty" by his standards, anyway) entered his life? Seriously, why are you trying to rationalize Juliette's behavior? It's more than obvious her brain had shriveled into a wrinkly black prune by that point.
05-01-2016, 06:14 PM
(05-01-2016, 01:43 PM)irukandji Wrote:Hello Iruk:(05-01-2016, 10:06 AM)Kathryn Wooten Wrote: I think what they did to Juliette was because she was powerful, but uncontrollable Trubel was not pleased about what Chavez and HW did at Nick's house. She went directly to FrankenEve to "discuss" the events. Transcript of the conversation from Map of the Seven Knights: Quote:Scene: Trubel goes to talk with Eve.FrankenEve confirmed "She was trying to kill Nick." But what did she mean by " I wouldn't. I don't owe Juliette anything." I read it that if FrankenEve owed Juliette anything it would be to kill Nick. Then she tells Trubel "She would have killed you too." FrankenEve has the memories of Hexenette's goal to kill Nick and Trubel. Somehow HW forced a suppression of her murderous goals, but will the suppression wear off? Will she attempt to confront Nick again in hope that she can consummate her goal and attempt to rip out his throat? Will Nick Grimm up and grant her wish to die? New Guy
05-01-2016, 07:40 PM
It is amazing, I started this post just to gt objective opinions. Yet everyone that is posted is stuck on the idea that the status que is right . Good or bad it seems to be justified by the need of the greater good. It is the same blind allegiance that, allowed Hollywood to create cowboy and Indian movies. Why not they are only talking about red skins. Amazing how so many people didn't and don't see the problem with that. People post how horrible HW treated Juliette and Eve, but it is justified because people see her as out of control. Doesn't that sound a lot like the excuse i feared for my life.
IMO this world will never get any better if people do not stop drinking the kool-aid and start looking at the facts and seeing reality. Not what you are expected to see. It's the same mindset that prevents the prosecution of police officers, based on policeman don't lie or they were doing their jobs. Even if that involves shooting and unarmed suspect in the back. when asked Jurors say policeman are there to protect us. Of course these are not the others that get bet down just because. I did not see one post condemning the execution of Kenneth. Yet their are hundreds of post proclaiming Juliette killed Kelly though, Juliette was upstairs. When will people start looking at the facts and not just accepting the rhetoric. It is really obvious in how people view this show. The way people see good and bad not based on the facts, but based on the perspective presented. Based on what they want you to believe. They wanted you to believe, Juliette is bad, Adalind has changed to good. They provide a few acts, yet they bury the reasons and exaggerate the results. They really on social beliefs to form your opinion. It is so obvious in the bumper sticker response posted. "Juliette burned the trailer", "Julliet kill Nick mom". Yet when pressed to dispute the cause or circumstance. They resort to an emotional position, or a position based on societies expectations. It is that last part societies expectations that is really troublesome. This shows is a great experiment in how easy it is to manipulate opinion. The problem is, in real life the same tatics are being used on things that really matter, yet it is hard to get people to see the truth. Question authority, you are labeled radical, or liberal. IMO we have an election coming up, stop drinking the kool-aid before it is to late.
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05-01-2016, 08:14 PM
(This post was last modified: 05-01-2016, 08:23 PM by FaceInTheCrowd.)
Objectively, BC has yet to do anything that could be interpreted as redeeming. That doesn't necessarily mean they couldn't, they just haven't so far. And since there is zero doubt that they are behind Andrew Dixon's murder and the murders in "Wesen Nacht," they're going to have to come up with one helluva great redeeming act to make up for those "bad guy" moves.
Does that mean that HW are "good guys?" Not necessarily, and we should not assume that they are, if for no other reason than that the people who have been presented to us for the past four seasons as definitely being the "good guys" have yet to make the decision to join up. Could turn out that there are no good guys except Nick and his friends who are caught between two equally dishonorable rival forces.
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Quote:It is amazing, I started this post just to gt objective opinions. Yet everyone that is posted is stuck on the idea that the status que is right . Good or bad it seems to be justified by the need of the greater good. It is the same blind allegiance that, allowed Hollywood to create cowboy and Indian movies. Why not they are only talking about red skins. Amazing how so many people didn't and don't see the problem with that. People post how horrible HW treated Juliette and Eve, but it is justified because people see her as out of control. Doesn't that sound a lot like the excuse i feared for my life. syscrash, not everyone who posted in this thread is 100% for HW. Read the thread again. There are posts that question the good and evil of both organizations. People have pointed out the evil things about BC. They're not wrong. Evil things have been pointed out about HW as well. The problem with the story is we just don't have enough information to say definitively that BC is evil and HW is good. There are people who have pointed that out as well. You asked the question and people are responding. If this isn't what you were looking for, then maybe some clarification of what you're looking for is needed. I am not sure of BC yet. For one thing, I don't know if Bonaparte is the head of the entire faction of BC, or if he's a flunkie reduced to overseeing Portland. I do, however, question why Bonaparte is so eager to make sure Adalind is on board. I find it hard to believe that this is some BC ploy just to make sure Renard gets elected mayor. Renard has been campaigning for weeks now, and it's idiocy to believe that not one newspaper investigator hasn't come across the exclusive story of the day that he is not a family man, has been boinking his campaign manager, has never been married, and hasn't seen his daughter in two years now. If Renard were running for Senator or Congressman, I could see BC's interest in him. Mayor, however, is small potatoes and certainly not a power grab for BC. I believe Bonaparte is more interested in Adalind. Whether it be to keep Diana in line or whether he believes two hexenbiests on his team trump the one hexenbiest on HW's side, I don't know. The thing of it is, we've been warned for weeks now that if Adalind turns full blooded hexenbiest, she will change drastically. That's what I believe is the power grab for BC. Whether that makes them evil or not, it's still hard to say.
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05-01-2016, 11:45 PM
irukandji I was looking for as you posted a thoughtful observation, one of the few. That is what I was looking for. Instead it is page after page of the same none thought provoking regurgitated statements. Face in the crow is another poster that looks at the objectively. We all have our biases and the sways us one way or the other. personal preference is one thing. It is when the preference is defended using distorted reasoning. I was hoping to start this off with a philosophical observation how the show mirrors real life. I hoped I would get that type of response.
As for the Sean the family man angle, that has so many holes, I have written it off as a plot device, not a point they trying to make. Like you said they not married, and it is public record Kelly is not Sean's. How do you explain the timeline for Diana. And after seeing Diana in action. Are you really going to put her in front of a camera. The most basic research would turn up way more then enough for a scandal. IMO they would have done better as him being the bachelor candidate. Someone dedicated to his work.
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05-02-2016, 12:13 AM
I have yet to see any of our mayoral candidates trot out their SOs and/or children, and we have 15 of them. We've already gotten our ballots in the mail, so if they're going to do it they'd better hurry up. There's only two weeks before the ballots have to be returned.
05-02-2016, 03:43 AM
(05-01-2016, 03:29 PM)Hexenadler Wrote: So basically, you're saying you'd be okay with a lecherous old creep putting the moves on you 24/7 who'd also willingly leave you for the wolves if another, prettier Hexenbiest ("pretty" by his standards, anyway) entered his life? Seriously, why are you trying to rationalize Juliette's behavior? It's more than obvious her brain had shriveled into a wrinkly black prune by that point.Juliette's far too powerful for any other hexenbiest to get a look in. A royal bastard and the old lecher is toast. Meanwhile, Juliette could have controlled the royals through him. The payoff for Juliette was enormous. So no, Juliette's brain was shrivelled to prune size. Frederick sent Juliette off to kill Nick. @syscrash You change the status quo and that becomes the new status quo. Hadrain's Wall chose to offer Juliette a place in their organization because she could be the weapon that would tip the balance in their was with Black Claw. That just prompted Black Claw to develop a strategy to be able to use Diana as a counter. Juliette accepted, because she's got her own agenda. We've been told that the verrat have infiltrated industry, public service and government. Black Claw aren't the first to plan an infiltration. Portland is not only on the other side of the country, it's the back-end of beyond as compared to DC's political confluence. We may want Hadrian's Wall to win. That's only because they appear to be less evil than Black Claw. It doesn't mean Hadrian's Wall is actually any nicer. Nick's not fighting for a cause and he's not part of a global war. He's fighting for personal reasons - his friends and family. (05-01-2016, 11:45 PM)syscrash Wrote: irukandji I was looking for as you posted a thoughtful observation, one of the few. That is what I was looking for. Instead it is page after page of the same none thought provoking regurgitated statements. Face in the crow is another poster that looks at the objectively. We all have our biases and the sways us one way or the other. personal preference is one thing. It is when the preference is defended using distorted reasoning. I was hoping to start this off with a philosophical observation how the show mirrors real life. I hoped I would get that type of response. I know you read the thread, syscrash, and I am sorry for commenting on it. I think this is a very good topic. I'm not sure how this would compare to the real world, but I may think of something later. In the meantime, I wanted to talk about one of my favorite all time characters, Nick. Nick started out the season on an insane note, in my opinion. It was not grief insanity over his mother or Juliette, although he did have some pangs about Juliette for a few minutes into the first episode I believe. Nick's insanity was in relation to HW. He saw Trubel being 'kidnapped' and then was given something to put him to sleep. When he woke up, the place was clean, and Juliette and the head were gone. Nick then goes on a crusade to find Trubel. He comes to work, disregarding the orders of his superior, illegally barges into Chavez's office and threatens her. When that doesn't work he goes to her house and kidnaps her, and Nick being Nick, brings the scoobies into it. What I thought was amusing was the fact that Nick seemed peeved because HW failed to recognize him as *The Grimm* So he makes sure the kidnapped Chavez knows he is *The Grimm*. Chavez rolls her eyes, relents, and tells the super secret bunch she was wrong and is bringing *The Grimm* in. Chavez explains no one knows who anyone is, and different people are constantly involved. Their meetings are so secret, that no one even knows where they're meeting ahead of time. Yet, before they get to see just how uninteresting *The Grimm* really is, they all get killed, including Chavez. Nick, the lone survivor, gets the batphone and for the most part, goes back to square one. There are a few whiffs of BC here and there but things really do not start up again until Nick and the gang walk into a trap and Eve saves them. The common denominator in this is Nick. He is the one person who survived both attacks. Was BC interested in Nick, so they deliberately made sure he wasn't killed along with Chavez and the others? Was Eve called to the scene because HW got wind of BC's interest in Nick, and so HW is trying to sway them to their side? No one really knows because Nick then takes a really strange tactic. He still doesn't know what HW is all about, but the insanity about finding out who they are, what they do, etc., just.....dies. I suppose some of this is due to Trubel appearing on the scene. Trubel cracks me up here because she can't seem to get the correct name of the organization she's been kidnapped to serve. Trubel, Meisner, and Eve all give Nick bits and pieces of the organization. Even after that, no one really knows anything, but Nick brings the question to the scoobies about joining, they all decide it should be a unanimous decision and then that issue dies. Nick continues to astonish me with his complete lack of curiosity. For instance, why did HW send Trubel as the ambassador to recruit for HW? I'm sorry but a person who can't even get their name straight is not a candidate for bringing the masses in. Then there's Meisner who shuns any questions by simply chalking it up to the government footing the bill. When asked to lend a dollar to get important information pertinent to getting artifacts for HW, he refuses. However, he's not above buying goofy wigs for Eve. Eve, on the other hand, is completely focused on Renard, so she's useless. I am getting the impression that this is a tiny offshoot of HW and we know nothing of the main organization of which Chavez was a part.
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