Arya and Sansa were never going to harm each other. It doesn't surprise me they think viewers are that gullible. LF has been awful for a few seasons now and his entire plot this season was a waste of time. Sansa being in the same vicinity as him made just as little sense as her agreeing to marry Ramsay which was less than zero. LF still got off way too easy.
The cinematography, acting, and directing is spectacular but the writing is still awful. This is what it took to finally get Jamie away from Cersei. I find Cersei interesting but they love her way too much on the show. She like Littlefinger should be long dead for blowing up the Sept and she was at serious disadvantage when Dany arrived only for her to get a season's worth of plot gifts.
It's also obvious that idiotic wight hunt was designed specifically for a bunch of fan-favorites to battle the Army of the Dead and more importantly give the Night King a dragon. The army would still be a threat but they couldn't breach the wall without it. It was so contrived and Jon and company just enabled what they were trying to prevent. The characters once again look like idiots because the plot needed them to be.
I could care less about Theon and the Ironborn so I won't say more about it.
The best thing about the episode was Bran finally making himself useful even though he could've solved this problem much earlier. I also find it interesting that they decided to feature Arya and Sansa and briefly Bran in the final even before the big final scene. I thought that honor would go to Jon and Dany since they received the majority of the focus this season.
(08-28-2017, 10:38 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: It's also obvious that idiotic wight hunt was designed specifically for a bunch of fan-favorites to battle the Army of the Dead and more importantly give the Night King a dragon. The army would still be a threat but they couldn't breach the wall without it. It was so contrived and Jon and company just enabled what they were trying to prevent. The characters once again look like idiots because the plot needed them to be.
I hear you. I have been an avid follower of GOT since the series premiered, but the last two episodes were a major disappointment to me.
I hear the series may be postponed to spring 2019. If it goes that long, I may not tune in, based on the mess made during the last two episodes.
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(09-01-2017, 04:17 PM)irukandji Wrote:
(08-28-2017, 10:38 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: It's also obvious that idiotic wight hunt was designed specifically for a bunch of fan-favorites to battle the Army of the Dead and more importantly give the Night King a dragon. The army would still be a threat but they couldn't breach the wall without it. It was so contrived and Jon and company just enabled what they were trying to prevent. The characters once again look like idiots because the plot needed them to be.
I hear you. I have been an avid follower of GOT since the series premiered, but the last two episodes were a major disappointment to me.
I hear the series may be postponed to spring 2019. If it goes that long, I may not tune in, based on the mess made during the last two episodes.
That plot also reminds me of Grimm. Nick and Juliette went into the mirror world and that is what enabled Big Z to come to the real world.
It's a shame because I don't deny that GoT is still a great spectacle. Perhaps the best on TV. But the show isn't good because the writing is so awful. All the characters have suffered. There haven't been any clever schemes in years because the writers aren't capable. LF, Varys, and Tyrion would do everyone they're supporting a favor by going away. They literally made Cersei smarter than them in season 7. It's obvious how much the writers really love her. LF has been a lost cause for years.
And why did Jorah get Greyscale? That plot amounted to nothing.
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(09-01-2017, 09:06 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: And why did Jorah get Greyscale? That plot amounted to nothing.
So Sam could cure him, of course. I have a feeling Sam is going to end up a maester without really having to do any of the studying it takes to earn the links.
(09-01-2017, 09:06 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: That plot also reminds me of Grimm. Nick and Juliette went into the mirror world and that is what enabled Big Z to come to the real world.
The Z story arc was completely botched in my opinion. He started out as a promising foe, and ended up as pathetic. I would have preferred a strong enemy for Nick who didn't need to piggyback his way into the world but entered under his own power. I also thought it would have been a fitting ending for Nick and Z to have a fight, but Z escapes, perhaps to return another day. He'd been around for centuries, a foe who lives that long and managed to come in contact with the grimms of old and survive deserves more than a lame plot line about the power of grimms.
(09-01-2017, 09:06 PM)Hell Rell Wrote: It's a shame because I don't deny that GoT is still a great spectacle. Perhaps the best on TV. But the show isn't good because the writing is sow awful. All the characters have suffered. There haven't been any clever schemes in years because the writers aren't capable.
The whole "let's take seven good men, go up beyond the wall, get a wight, and take it back to show Cersei that it's all true" is a very good example poor writing. And dumb as that was, what was the point of Jon learning about this hidden mountain of dragonglass, getting permission to mine it, and then do nothing to give his little band of men a clever way of using it while they were beyond the wall?
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I also found it interesting that he mined the dragon glass. But no one had weapons made of dragon glass. I would have keep the wights form getting cut down and getting back up.
They brought Gendry back. I was sure he was going to make them dragon glass weapons to take on their missing. He could have even made himself a dragon glass hammer. It was not until the dragon pit that we see Jon with a dragon glass dagger. How are you going to fight wights with a dagger.
09-02-2017, 07:21 AM (This post was last modified: 09-02-2017, 07:26 AM by irukandji.)
(09-02-2017, 12:22 AM)syscrash Wrote: I also found it interesting that he mined the dragon glass. But no one had weapons made of dragon glass. I would have keep the wights form getting cut down and getting back up.
They brought Gendry back. I was sure he was going to make them dragon glass weapons to take on their missing. He could have even made himself a dragon glass hammer. It was not until the dragon pit that we see Jon with a dragon glass dagger. How are you going to fight wights with a dagger.
(Laughs) I wondered why only Jon had a dragon glass knife, but I assumed it was just to make the point that such a thing existed and he showed it around as proof.
But you do bring up a point, syscrash. The only thing we've seen with regard to dragon glass is that if stabbed with it, the wights will die. What happens if they touch it? Does it kill them? I agree with you that a little dagger made of dragon glass isn't going to go a long way in killing 100 thousand or 500 thousand or a million wights. But would a field of dragon glass shards kill them if they had to walk through it?
It seems to me that this kind of thing has happened before because some of the characters talked about previous winters that came and went. I assume the wights came out then. Wouldn't you think there'd be writings or documents some where that would give some guidance to these people?
Since the series began, there have been the ominous warnings, "winter is coming". Apparently these wights have never made it as far as Kings Landing, but they couldn't have been that far from Winterfell (which in and among itself should be a BIG clue, but it's probably not). So why aren't the people in the north preparing for this horrible event.
BTW, even though I wasn't pumped on the last two episodes, I thought the part where Clegayne let the wight out of the box was pretty stunning. But at the same time, I didn't think these things could live in warm and sunny places.
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09-02-2017, 10:17 AM (This post was last modified: 09-03-2017, 10:05 PM by Hell Rell.)
They really should give dragonglass to all of their best archers. People like Meera can take down a bunch of them single-handedly.
They made Tyrion stupid for no reason. He knows Cersei can't be reasoned with at all. She wouldn't yield to 3 large dragons. Jamie had told her they stood no chance against them. There's no way the wights would change her mind. That's only if they got that far because having that small group venture beyond the wall was suicide.
I assume Winterfell is the place where the White Walkers were defeated the first time which is how it got its name "winter fell". The "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" phrase might have a literal meaning. I wonder if Bran can see how they were defeated the first time. It might be more difficult this time without the Children of the Forest around.
I wonder if there will be any further use for that dagger that Arya has now. It's made of Valyrian Steel and I think it was seen in one of those books Sam had. It's funny how Sam gets to steal things without anyone noticing and get away with it like he stole his family's sword. Will Arya kill a White Walker? They did make her into a super assassin capable of taking down anyone on the show after all.
It was suggested during a conversation about S7 that the show lost it’s footing once it didn’t have books to rely on as a foundation. Having not read the books, I don’t know how much the show actually adhered to George R. R. Martin’s original writing throughout the seasons.
I found Jamie’s departure interesting but not unexpected. I think he knew Cersei’s arrogance would cause their demise, but it was her growing alliance with Euron that compelled him to leave. He knew there wasn’t a place for him in Cersei and Euron’s alliance and finally stopped denying that his sister had always used his love and loyalty to her benefit.
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(09-02-2017, 10:17 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: They made Tyrion stupid for no reason. He knows Cersei can't be reasoned with at all. She wouldn't yield to 3 large dragons. Jamie had told her they stood no chance against them. There's no way the wights would change her mind. That's only if they got that far because having that small group venture beyond the wall was suicide.
And that's another flaw in this plot to procure a Whitewalker to convince Cersei that winter is really coming. It was obvious that the delegation was apprehensive about her. They know of her treachery. Yet they risk it all by going into what could have been a trap that would end with all of them being killed.
(09-02-2017, 10:17 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I assume Winterfell is the place where the White Walkers were defeated the first time which is how it got its name "winter fell". The "there must always be a Stark in Winterfell" might have a literal meaning. I wonder if Bran can see how they were defeated the first time. It might be more difficult this time without the Children of the Forest around.
If he's the three eyed raven, as he claims, he should be able to see exactly how the Whitewalkers were defeated. Once Sam told him about the annulment, he suddenly was able to see Rhaegar and Lyanna's secret marriage.
(09-02-2017, 10:17 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: I wonder if there will be any further use for that dagger that Arya has now. It's made of Valyrian Steel and I think it was seen in one of those books Sam had. Will Arya kill a White Walker? They did make her into a super assassin capable of taking down anyone on the show after all.
I like Arya a lot. She's one of the few characters on the show who's remained completely unpredictable. I saw her in a couple of episodes of Doctor Who not so long ago and she was just as likeable and unpredictable.
I never thought about it, but you could be on to something here with her. Maybe it's not only a wight that she defeats but perhaps the Night King himself? He was able to kill a dragon with uncanny accuracy using an icicle. That icicle looked to very similar to Arya's Needle. Could she remove the face of a wight and disguise herself as one of them to assassinate the Night King?
(09-02-2017, 10:17 AM)Hell Rell Wrote: It's funny how Sam gets to steal things without anyone noticing and get away with it like he stole his family's sword.
Do you think the Archmaester knew Sam took the books and let him get away with it?
(09-02-2017, 11:37 AM)Robyn Wrote: It was suggested during a conversation about S7 that the show lost it’s footing once it didn’t have books to rely on as a foundation. Having not read the books, I don’t know how much the show actually adhered to George R. R. Martin’s original writing throughout the seasons.
I found Jamie’s departure interesting but not unexpected. I think he knew Cersei’s arrogance would cause their demise, but it was her growing alliance with Euron that compelled him to leave. He knew there wasn’t a place for him in Cersei and Euron’s alliance and finally stopped denying that his sister had always used his love and loyalty to her benefit.
I thought Jaime had even greater cause to leave in the earlier seasons, but then, Cersei wouldn't have become pregnant.
I am currently into book four but it's really been a tedious read for me. Martin loves to go into great detail and that slows the story down IMO.